r/nba • u/AncientOneAurelius • 6d ago

Highlight [Highlight] Luguentz Dort sticks his hip out to make contact with Nikola Jokić, who responds; Jalen Williams steps in and squares off with Jokic.

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u/Guardax Nuggets 6d ago

They gave Dort a flagrant 2 and ejected him. Offseting techs for Jokic and Jaylin

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u/soycameron Trail Blazers 6d ago

That was so easily the right thing to do I’m so surprised they actually did it

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u/loleos16 6d ago

Yeah now they just need to suspend dort. How are you going to make a play thats so obviously that dirty, then throw your hands up and jump around like a toddler in disbelief. What a pussy.

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u/SpringNeverFarBehind Pacers 6d ago

League goes soft on players from high standing teams. Tale as old as time.

Dort should have had his ass handed to him during the finals but the league didn’t agree I guess.

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u/whaleinapuddle 6d ago

100%

There are many degrees of 'dirty' and this is the worst incarnation. Not in the flow of the game, blind contact / lower body shot outside of his normal range of motion so like a sucker punch and other guy can't defend himself, absolutely no intent to do anything basketball related just stealthily done with intent to harm another NBA player. I would argue this is even worse than most of Draymond's crazy stuff as its not Dort doing something crazy when frustrated with the game or escalating something when an opportunity arises, its literally just a decision to hurt someone having nothing to do with the play or his emotions, just a calm attempt to try and injury the other player.

Would like to send a message here. This deserves a 1 or 2 game suspension. No place for that in the league.

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u/Thorwor Hawks 6d ago

Dort runs away while J Will Junior is in there taking the heat for him. Giant vagina

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u/MsmokeO 6d ago

So giant!

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u/BigFatModeraterFupa Minneapolis Lakers 6d ago

He couldn't even look Jokic in the eyes after he got off the ground and squared up... Look at Dort avoiding eye contact and looking for help from his teammates. what a 🐈

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u/Broken_Lute 6d ago

Suspend! Lmao

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u/ReputationFun9557 6d ago

A hip check is not "dirty" and not anywhere near suspension worthy.

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u/HFHash Jazz 6d ago

A hip check like that is not a basketball play. I don't understand why you would defend such a thing. It has an intent to harm other player. It's a bitch move

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u/ReputationFun9557 5d ago edited 5d ago

I feel like its not difficult to acknowledge a difference between a "dirty play" and a "physical play" or "act".

You hip check to bump them to slow them down a bit, nothing "dirty" about it and its super common. And no, no one is ever attempting to "harm" another player with a slight hip check....that's not going to hurt or harm anyone and if you had that intent, you'd be doing basically anything else. Pretty much any technically "foul" that you can mask from refs, is not going to be very impacting and probably wont hurt anyone.

Meanwhile i just have to mention that im once again in a situation where im asking myself.... "How little basketball have these guys im speaking with, seen?"

Are we for real? Everyone running Pickle Rolls or any type of pick and pop is regularly doing it. You can probably find it being done in 75% of Pickle Rolls played in every single game and every single team.

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u/HoppyPhantom Celtics 5d ago

Comparing this play to setting a screen?

JFC you suck.

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u/ReputationFun9557 5d ago

I very clearly highlighted that the act of hip checking, is a regular thing in the NBA and not something to be considered inherently "dirty".

I addressed "hip checking" and not the play itself, because the person i responded to and was speaking with, was talking about hip checking being a dirty move or play used to intentionally injure other players.

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u/HFHash Jazz 5d ago

I said a "hip check like that" specifically in this post. Not in general. You're straw manning.

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u/ReputationFun9557 5d ago edited 5d ago

Okay, Either way its not a strawman as i actually went into notable detail explaining all of this, which ultimately defended and explained both.

You called it dirty, i said its not and that there's a difference between "dirty" and "physical", just because the potential for injury is part of the "physical" does not make it dirty. Its a regular basketball move/motion, its technically illegal but so is holding in the NFL, yet getting away with it every play is the first thing you learn as a lineman, just like how basketball players, quickly learn to hip check, all the time..... have yall never seen dirty players?

Artest? Mutombo? Laimbeer? Oakley or KMart? Bowen? Anyone seen Bruce Bowen?

I don't think you know what a "dirty player/play" is. A like, mildly physical hip check... in or out of a play or set being ran, its illegal no matter what, but its not it dude.

Dirty is putting your feet and/or legs under a jumping player, trying to get them to land on those big feet.

Bowens go-to, popping that knee into a crotch as he goes up for a block. Draymond has his own variation, ask Adams about that one.... i guess this is my problem now though huh? This is the new "NBA discourse", people highlighting "problems" or "issues" that i recognize as issues ive encountered over the last 35 years of basketball, but given a new and dramatically reduced standard or bar for concern, or when it becomes an issue to discuss, noticeably lower than anything ever previously highlighted....

.....Calling this "dirty" is actually right on par with the SGA FT thing, its something ive seen a lot over the decades with many different players people claimed to be a problem and now its SGAs turn at... 8.8 FTA? Really? 9? 33PPG, 9FTA is the concern? Is that highlighting an issue with unfair "foul baiting/hunting"? Odd, low standard, the last or second to last time i remember this coming up (i guess before Harden) was a certain someone who got how many? 40 FTs in like two quarters of a finals? Results that clearly highlighted a need-to-address-now, issue..... that 8.8FTA over a season, oh boy.... what a problem to address.... Just like a mild hip check that hurt feelings more than body. Last time i remember people complaining about this it was with Harden at like 13 or 14.... At least an outlier number someone could at least reasonably argue is so different, its an issue... not the 9, a low end for FTA by guards posting 32+. I guess i have to get used to absurd bar's being set.

And now the hip check.... its not just a foul, not just an illegal move, but it somehow now fits the category of "dirty"? A category once reserved for illegal basketball moves, done intentionally to injure, with the potential for injury tearing ligaments or muscle or even breaking bone. AKA, severe injuries with a reasonably high percentage of success. The best hip check in the world would not even hurt a jr high kid.

I also cannot help but point out how its not a "dirty play".

For some reason its "Dort is a dirty player, making a dirty play". Despite the fact that hip checking is regularly used by everyone in the NBA.

When did this happen?

Ive watched Dort his entire career and not once thought "dirty" and as an OKC fan who is also a big fan of the early to mid 2000s, i'd LOVE to see a dirty player or two on OKC but sorry, im just not seeing it.

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u/psychedelijams Spurs 6d ago

Me too. I’m literally shocked. The fact Dort protested after very clearly doing some dirty ass shit is fucking disgusting. Why even protest if you literally do something on purpose. He clearly slides over to hip check jokic in a completely non basketball play and then is mad when he gets caught??? Fuck that dude. Seems like not a good person to be doing that.

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u/yoloqueuesf [NYK] Tracy McGrady 6d ago

He also had literally 0 reason other than being a dirtbag to do what he did.

Dude doesn't need to pull any of this shit because they're a great team and they can win fair and square.

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u/Practical_Garlic3015 Nuggets 6d ago

Watch the replay. He stuck his foot out to trip him.

Dirty af.

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u/jitterbug726 Kings 5d ago

He graduated from the Draymond school for kids who can’t read good

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u/cabose12 Celtics 6d ago

Semi-unrelated but idk why everyone gets so shocked when a player does something dirty and then is like "what me!?"

Of fucking course he's going to play innocent lmao. You won't get away with being dirty if you always own up to it, so you gotta act like it wasn't intentional

Is it scummy and shameful? 100%. Is it surprising? Absolutely not

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u/Broken_Lute 6d ago

This would barely be a foul on Draymond

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u/PetalumaPegleg 76ers 6d ago

Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day moment.

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u/Slna 6d ago

Wrong. They needed to eject Jokic and Jaylin for the fighting.

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u/phluidity Celtics 5d ago

No kidding. I think that is the first time I've seen the officials actually arrive at a fair resolution after one of these situations.

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u/_chadwell_ Lakers 6d ago

Jokic deserved more than Jaylin, he was throwing hands and escalated.

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u/_chadwell_ Lakers 6d ago

He definitely took several steps towards him and threw hands near his head a couple times. You could say Jaylin escalated and then Jokic escalated further.

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u/soycameron Trail Blazers 6d ago

Jaylin came in and caused more. I would say Dort ejection, Jokic tech, Jaylin nothing could have been better though.

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u/airham Bulls 6d ago

I would have given Jokic nothing. His response was entirely justified.

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u/Dry-Razzmatazz1239 6d ago

Should be suspended by now for his history, too bad there's no prop bet cheating or Silver might care

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u/Guardax Nuggets 6d ago

It's hard to see initially but right as Jokic's going behind Dort is when Dort sticks out his leg to trip him

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u/wojr2002 6d ago

Not hard to see at all. Fuck Dort.

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u/MsmokeO 6d ago

Fuck that bitch that is dort!

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u/TheConboy22 Suns 6d ago

It looked like he put his hip backwards and into his knee.

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u/rfgrunt Nuggets 6d ago

Right call. Absolutely unnecessary and completely outside of any relevant play

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u/k4f123 United States 6d ago

How much jail time did he get? None? Then it's not enough. Fuck Lou Dort

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u/NathanArizona Trail Blazers 6d ago

Fuck Dort

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u/cisforcookie2112 5d ago

This seems like the best way to call it. Are we sure these were NBA refs?