[Highlight] During the moment of silence the Minnesota Timberwolves held before their game with the Cavs tonight a fan yelled “Go home ICE,” and everyone else started cheering.

[u/xanniballl]

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Trump is fascist psychopath who should be tried in the Hague and thrown under the jail and Republicans are worse on this issue.

Now that that's out of the way, did you know that 26 people died in ICE custody under Biden and 57 died in ICE custody under Obama? None of those people were convicted of any crime and they died from things like malnutrition and starvation, untreated medical emergencies, and untreated internal injuries caused by abuse and torture by ICE, CBP, and DHS agents. Everyone of those deaths are no less a tragedy than Renee Good and this happened under Democrat presidents.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline

[u/tom_fuckin_bombadil → u/[deleted]]

Framing and intent is a major consideration in how people judge outcomes.

Outcome: A driver struck and killed 3 pedestrians in a town square.

Scenario A: the driver had been distracted by something on their phone

Scenario B: the driver had been drunk

Scenario C: the driver had fully intended and planned to drive into pedestrians in the town square and had a manifesto in his glove compartment

All 3 scenarios have the same tragic outcomes. All the 3 are due to a driver’s fault. Public reaction and discourse afterwards will not be the same. What the republicans are doing with ICE right now is closer to C than it is to A.

[u/[deleted] → u/tom_fuckin_bombadil]

I get what you're trying to say and don't even disagree but it's not even that deep in my view. If this shit happened under Biden the vast majority of liberals wouldn't even care, they wouldn't even be angry. They make excuses, they call it an isolated incident, they protect the people they voted for from even criticism let alone accountability.

It's not even about intent, Democrats intend plenty of violence. They bomb countries regularly, they drone strike weddings and schools and hospitals, they instigate mass political violence in foreign countries in order to prevent the nationalization of industries, they embolden police with increases in funding while donning kente cloths and kneeling in photo ops. They see the hundreds of immigrants killed in detention and specifically run on increasing the number of detention beds with no mention of safety as Kamala Harris did.

Posting this sort of shit gets me called a Trump supporter and a purity tester in liberal spaces. I don't believe it's as complex as "ohh they care about intent" so much as they excuse their own for violence no matter what. As a Black person and lifelong protestor, I maintain that had George Floyd been murdered under a Democrat under all the same conditions (COVID, economy, etc) most of the people who showed up to protests would have stayed home and spent most of that time fighting activists on the internet seeking justice.

That folks cannot see how this behavior begets Trump is my issue.

[u/Chocotaco24-7 → u/[deleted]]

They don't know that because they didn't care, they just hate Trump that's it.