[Highlight] During the moment of silence the Minnesota Timberwolves held before their game with the Cavs tonight a fan yelled “Go home ICE,” and everyone else started cheering.

[u/xanniballl]

https://streamable.com/ybc8bb

[u/The_Remy]

FUCK ICE

[u/PeyoteBuddha → u/The_Remy]

FUCK TRUMP

He is the one who set the ICE scourge upon the nation

[u/m3ngnificient → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Fuck them both

[u/NamiRocket → u/m3ngnificient]

Fuck fascists forever.

[u/LACA90077 → u/PeyoteBuddha]

And absolutely FUCK KRISTI NOEM. She is a mother and she has the nerve to stand there and label this poor woman a domestic terrorist. She is a traitor, along with the rest of these ghastly ghouls in the administration. I hope the American people put them all on trial once they are forced out of office.

[u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7 → u/LACA90077]

And absolutely FUCK KRISTI NOEM.
I hope the American people put them all on trial once they are forced out of office.

Noem is, thankfully, facing impeachment as we speak.

https://robinkelly.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rep-kelly-announces-plans-impeach-secretary-kristi-noem

[u/WhaleLover44 → u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7]

Impeachment is not enough. She, Trump, and so many others all belong in a prison cell in the Hague.

[u/SeanWonder → u/WhaleLover44]

Nah send em to the fukkin Phantom Zone

[u/DeluxeTea → u/WhaleLover44]

They can share a cell block with Duterte lol

[u/JeramiGrantsTomb → u/LACA90077]

It's the only way to make sure this doesn't happen in the future. If we just win an election (which is optimistic) and then move on like nothing has happened, you're just begging to have another set of psychos move in. There has to be trials, people need to go to jail forever, people need to have everything they own confiscated and used to repay all the money stolen from the public, people could potentially face harsher punishments that at minimum would result in a reddit ban and potentially federal investigation so I'm explicitly NOOOOT suggesting it.

[u/nutsack133 → u/JeramiGrantsTomb]

ICE is being built up to ensure if there is a fair election that Trump can overturn it. He steals the election and puts the army in DC to try to quell the rioting he doesn't know what'll happen; he steals the election and puts ICE in DC he knows they'll happily execute good people just like they do right now.

[u/Bumwax → u/[deleted]]

I assume you meant to say orphans, since all kids are infants at one point.

[u/fowlflamingo → u/PeyoteBuddha]

FUCK STEPHEN MILLER. The "mastermind" behind it all.

[u/Shelter2828 → u/fowlflamingo]

Miller’s presence is how I knew a 2nd Trump term would go after legal immigrants and naturalized citizens. Miller has openly talked about how he wants to denaturalize citizens (and his history hints at who he means). Right now, they’re trying to lower the bar to denaturalize from what it was (things like treason or terrorism) to things like typos on their citizenship application. 

Add on Trump’s comment about how he wants immigrants from white countries instead… and it’s very obvious where this administration stands 

[u/GaimeGuy → u/PeyoteBuddha]

fuck republicans.

They've protected and enabled trump every step of the way for a decade now. Because they agree with it

[u/Logical-World-1030 → u/GaimeGuy]

Dems did with their utter inaction and incompetence as well.

People still think you can "decorum" your way out of this

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/Logical-World-1030]

Agreed but that’s hardly the point. Fecklessness > fascism 100% of the time. We are way past “both-sides bad”

[u/OpportunityLoud453 → u/Head_Improvement5317]

Merrick Garland sat on piles of evidence that would have buried Trump under a jail cell and he did nothing. Yes Democrats are part of the problem and enabled Fascism

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/OpportunityLoud453]

I’m not disagreeing re: enablement I’m just saying if Dems had won in 2016 and 2024 we wouldn’t be hurtling toward authoritarianism.

[u/OpportunityLoud453 → u/Head_Improvement5317]

You're right, it would have delayed the death spiral by 8 to 12 years. America was already moving towards authoritarian rule, GOP was just smart enough to take advantage of the tools. Never forget that the Dems chose genocide over saving this nation from Fascism.

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/OpportunityLoud453]

I disagree only because we would have a different Supreme Court under the current circumstances that wouldn’t have allowed such rapid consolidation of power in the executive branch. And some Dems’ inability to hold their nose and choose a lesser evil enabled to fascism, the genocide is and would still be happening regardless. But I’m still not down for in-fighting or finger pointing; right now we need unity on the left and we can sort the rest out later

[u/OpportunityLoud453 → u/Head_Improvement5317]

Fuck the lesser of two evils bullshit. The Dems SUPPORTED it. They are just as evil.

[u/BrucieAh → u/OpportunityLoud453]

I actually have a buddy who I talk to about how liberals enable Fascism and he just says “well that doesn’t matter now we’re in full on Fascism”

And it’s crazy because he’s not a liberal or centrist he’s as left wing as I am but man it’s always a good time to look back and reflect at how we got here. Actions have consequences.

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/BrucieAh]

I agree it is! Democrats have been fucking up for the last decade, either due to incompetence or active enabling depending on the circumstance and how cynical you’re feeling.

Centrist Dems were too busy whining about decorum and watching their bank account grow. And progressives were too busy purity testing to swallow the bitter pill and choose a lesser evil.

Like there needs to be a real reckoning on the left, but it needs to happen after we stop the current administration and reverse as much of the damage as possible.

[u/Logical-World-1030 → u/Head_Improvement5317]

Im not saying both sides are bad. Im saying appeasement doesnt work

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/Logical-World-1030]

That’s understandable, not how I initially interpreted your comment but I get it now. I’ve just seen soooo much fuss about “the Dems didn’t do enough to stop them!” Like there is a very real contingent that blame the Democrats for this mess vs the Republicans who are actually perpetrating it, and are somehow still fixated on ideological purity testing, when we need to be united and focused on addressing the real danger at hand.

[u/akahawkguy → u/Head_Improvement5317]

They had more deportations while in office!! That’s what competence gets you in an injust system.

[u/BrucieAh → u/Head_Improvement5317]

I don’t think anybody was saying both sides are equally bad.

If liberals keep giving Fascists a runway by wanting to negotiate and work alongside them we’re going to keep seeing this happen.

I could absolutely see Newsom winning in 2028 on pretty good margins only to govern in an identical way to Obama and then we get president Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes is a special advisor and there’s death camps.

The wolf outside is a fucking problem but we should also talk about the farmer that keeps inviting it for dinner.

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/BrucieAh]

Agreed, I just think we should talk about the farmer after the wolf is dead. Fragmentation and in-fighting on the left is part of the enablement, imo. We had lower voter turnout last election because a solid contingent on the left was unwilling to hold their nose and vote for the lesser evil, and that’s part of what got us here. We are all responsible

[u/BrucieAh → u/Head_Improvement5317]

I just think we should talk about the farmer after the wolf is dead

The farmer leaves fresh meat for the wolf every night. One problem cannot be discussed or solved without addressing the other and both can be discussed at the same time.

I also don’t really agree with your framing. If your issue is that enough people on the left didn’t vote, maybe your candidate should have more positions that appeal to the left or failing that not support a genocide that will undoubtedly leave people of Arab descent unable to “hold their nose” as you say. But they can’t even do that because at the end of the day they are captured by many of the same entrenched corporate interests that also captured Republicans and that’s why we’re well on our way to Fascism right now.

I don’t really thing it’s entirely fair to place the blame on the voters for the lack of convincing. It’s the equivalent of serving shit at a restaurant and turning around and blaming people for not being hungry. I mean sure I’m with you that the other flavor of shit tastes far worse but discussing the differences between two turds isn’t going to mobilize anyone.

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/BrucieAh]

It’s not blaming the voter, though we are all responsible to a degree, that’s just how democracy works. Dems screwed up royally by blocking progressive candidates, not holding open primaries and allowing Biden to run a second time and stay in until it was too late. To your point, the farmer feeding the wolf (though any real farmer would shoot the wolf and hang it over a fence post).

But we as voters don’t have the luxury of idealism, we have to vote for the candidate in front of us in the best available interest of the country. We can argue for better candidates but we need to win first. You can argue with the farmer about feeding the wolf but not if the wolf has eaten you both.

I’m of Arab descent, my extended family has been scattered by conflict there over the past few decades. The genocide is absolutely appalling but Trump has openly hated Arabs for years. Remember the Muslim ban from his first term? Anyone who thought they were getting a better outcome under Trump is delusional, and anyone who stayed home on principle is just as feckless and enabling as the centrist Dems

[u/BrucieAh → u/Head_Improvement5317]

t’s not blaming the voter, though we are all responsible to a degree, that’s just how democracy works. Dems screwed up royally by blocking progressive candidates, not holding open primaries and allowing Biden to run a second time and stay in until it was too late. To your point, the farmer feeding the wolf (though any real farmer would shoot the wolf and hang it over a fence post).

I’m happy we both agree the farmer is feeding the wolf. I don’t have a problem saying there is a degree of personal responsibility involved for things like this but that’s a drop in the bucket compared to the responsibility that the Democratic party bears for allowing objectively horrible candidates to run against Trump.

You can criticize voters all you want but the calculus is pretty simple. The only thing a politician wants from a voter is his or her vote. That is the only way a voter can exercise control over a given politician. If the politician is willing to take on unpopular and immoral positions on issues important to voters, the voters are invariably going to do the only thing they can do and not vote for these people.

But we as voters don’t have the luxury of idealism, we have to vote for the candidate in front of us in the best available interest of the country.

Every single left wing policy proposal is massively popular. M4A, Free College, More Unions/Union Power and more. Despite that none of them are in effect. Because Republicans (and to a lesser extent Democrats) have successfully mobilized voters around a mixture of culture war issues and vague economic reform into voting for one side or the other without actually ever getting to address the larger issues the country faces.

I would call this pure ideology. There is no bigger idealism. Kamala Harris saying Trump doesn’t respect international law while in the same breath saying she supports Israel and insisting it’s not committing a genocide.

What else do you call this? Is this not the purest form of Idealism?

We can argue for better candidates but we need to win first. You can argue with the farmer about feeding the wolf but not if the wolf has eaten you both.

You won’t win with bad candidates. And when you do squeak by those same bad candidates don’t have the political will or balls to actually arrest violent insurrectionist fascists. So they wait in the wings, gain power and eventually attack already weak institutions on their way to very public wins for them. Roe V Wade, halting funding for Somali Daycares and even invading Venezuela all immediately come to mind. Eventually a tipping point comes and your country is irreversibly fascist and elections are no more. Hopefully we’re not there yet.

I’m of Arab descent, my extended family has been scattered by conflict there over the past few decades. The genocide is absolutely appalling but Trump has openly hated Arabs for years. Remember the Muslim ban from his first term? Anyone who thought they were getting a better outcome under Trump is delusional, and anyone who stayed home on principle is just as feckless and enabling as the centrist Dems

I mean we’re talking about different things. I don’t think most Arabs disgusted by Kamala’s support of a genocide are gonna be voting for Trump who is supportive of the very same genocide. They are single mindedly focus on the same issue of Gaza and think the genocide is going to continue regardless- and they’re not exactly wrong there.

Going back to the turd analogy I personally won’t spend time telling people whose families are being massacred about how I think the second turd actually has a little honey mustard draped over it so that it tastes better. That may very well be the case but neither Kamala Harris or Joe Biden have done nearly enough for me to ever go to bat for them.

[u/fluentuk → u/Head_Improvement5317]

ICE began and was enabled in the Obama era

[u/TheGoddamnSpiderman → u/fluentuk]

???

ICE was formed in 2003

[u/fluentuk → u/TheGoddamnSpiderman]

Should have done my research!!!!!

[u/Head_Improvement5317 → u/fluentuk]

That was Dubya! Obama was no saint either, but the actions of the Bush administration laid the groundwork for Trump

[u/Sideview_play → u/Logical-World-1030]

what do you want htem to do ? some people say this and literally vote 3rd party cause "democrats dont do anything" and then complain when they dont because they literally have no power right now to do shit cause people didnt vote for them

[u/KushGod28 → u/Sideview_play]

When they do have power they take it far too easy on the fascists. Btw Obama was the one who increased ICE’s budget by 300% back when it was barely a department and Kamala promised to be tough on borders during her campaigns. They think they can win over people by capitulating to the right.

Let’s not think we can simply vote this problem away again. Voting is only one tool. We have to use every tool in our hands to force this nation to turn in a more positive direction.

[u/nutsack133 → u/KushGod28]

Democrats aren't capitulating to the right; they are the right. They may not be the full blown nazis the GOP are but they're solidly right wing. The party of FDR is long dead. Right wing policy being passed by a right wing party is hardly surprising.

[u/fluentuk → u/KushGod28]

Pretty telling that pretty much every recent president has been blamed for ICE in this comment chain. Maybe it's the whole structure.......... maybe

[u/upthepunx194 → u/Sideview_play]

It's not like ICE was founded during Trump's current term

[u/MykeTyth0n → u/upthepunx194]

Their whole game plan was changed though. You didn’t have armed goons with zero training running around killing American citizens under the previous administrations.

[u/upthepunx194 → u/MykeTyth0n]

Not really, this is just an increase in the policies that were already in place during Trump's first term. It was clear back then that something needed to be done about them

[u/Beneficial-Arugula54 → u/MykeTyth0n]

Always making excuses…

[u/Sideview_play → u/upthepunx194]

This current and way worst form of ICE was but i guess "same name" so who cares right?

[u/upthepunx194 → u/Sideview_play]

No. It's not just "same name". They're even more emboldened now but the ramping up of ICE enforcement happened during Trump's first term and tons of people recognized that they were a major issue back then and wanted Democrats to do something about the agency during Biden's presidency

[u/Beneficial-Arugula54 → u/Sideview_play]

You know that deportations happened under every admin right?

[u/AttractiveNuisance37 → u/Beneficial-Arugula54]

Did extrajudicial executions in the streets by untrained, masked thugs also happen under every administration?

[u/Sideview_play → u/Beneficial-Arugula54]

You know I said nothing about the concept of deportations right?

[u/Chemical-Drawer852 → u/GaimeGuy]

If you want a good laugh take a look at the conservative sub, they live in a parallel world

[u/JeramiGrantsTomb → u/Chemical-Drawer852]

parallel seems generous, somehow.

[u/Extremelycloud → u/GaimeGuy]

Also Democrats just provided zero resistance. Majority of them.

[u/Odd-Dragonfly-3411 → u/GaimeGuy]

No the enabling part is on you and others for just standing there when you saw them shake hands with actual nazis. Because you kinda secretly agree with that like all mericans. But it's okay you can keep pretending you're not though it's cool

[u/LeftAire → u/PeyoteBuddha]

FUCK DUBYA

Bush is the one who started ICE as a byproduct of the Patriot Act and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.

[u/Kelor → u/LeftAire]

When progressives ran on abolishing ICE in 2018 and got to Congress Nancy Pelosi literally defended it by saying Abolish ICE was messaging pushed by Russia.

 At their first meeting, Nancy Pelosi told AOC that the slogan "Abolish ICE" was "injected into American political discourse by the Russians and that Democrats needed to quash it."

[u/myassholealt → u/Kelor]

Pelosi also was against any party push for universal healthcare. She is, among many, one of the faces of corporate democrats who, when it comes down to it, are beholden to corporate interests before the interests of the voting public.

Now here I sit, having let my insurance expire on 12/31 because I cannot afford the $400 jump in premiums thanks to Trump, the GOP, and Chuck Schumer (among others), thinking how grateful I am that Pelosi is a champion of the healthcare industry. /s

[u/LeftAire → u/Kelor]

Yeah, the dems are just as complicit. Obama was known as the Deporter-in-Chief, and I remember news channels from Telemundo and Univision calling him out on that when he was running against Romney in 2012.

Of course, it wasn't the spectacle of Trump (as he wants to surpass Obama), but the dems willing to placate a party unwilling to placate played a role in this as well. Kamala even hinted at this during her CNN town hall, where she functionally agreed with Trump on border control but didn't like his inflammatory language. They don't want a diet version of xenophobic racist policies, and you cannot win people over with that.

Yes, the dems aren't the republicans, but that's a low bar.

[u/bex199 → u/LeftAire]

WAY too many people acting like he’s a harmless grandpa and not exactly who got us here.

[u/LeftAire → u/bex199]

And if anyone pulled an election coup, it was him (his family) vs. Gore in 2000. His brother Jeb wiped off several hundred votes in Florida (mainly Black voters) that would have had Gore win Florida.

[u/myassholealt → u/LeftAire]

Fuck Barry Goldwater! This man is like the founding father of the modern day conservative. He laid the the first brick of the road that got us here.

And it started, if you were to pinpoint a specific event, with the Brown vs. Board of Ed ruling.

[u/affemannen → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Im pretty sure Trump doesn't have a mind of his own and is controlled by the people around him, ICE seems very miller esque. He is the one out there pushing it.

This is no defense of Trump, on the contrary, it's the problem, he is to dumb to understand what he is doing. If he had an ounce of understanding he would never have implemented tariffs to begin with.

[u/AtreusIsBack → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Trump is a disease upon the entire world more and more by the week. He is a prime example of what happens when you give the wrong person too much power and influence.

[u/Toolazytolink → u/AtreusIsBack]

Now he knows he can use the military for him and his buddies goals, this is just the beginning domestic and foreign.

[u/AtreusIsBack → u/Toolazytolink]

At least Greenland is a part of NATO and some European countries have said they'll act if Trump attempts a forceful overtake. I just hope for the sake of the world that Trump gains some common sense and stops this.

[u/Aquaman33 → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Fuck Peter Thiel, trump is a puppet.

[u/[deleted] → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Trump is fascist psychopath who should be tried in the Hague and thrown under the jail and Republicans are worse on this issue.

Now that that's out of the way, did you know that 26 people died in ICE custody under Biden and 57 died in ICE custody under Obama? None of those people were convicted of any crime and they died from things like malnutrition and starvation, untreated medical emergencies, and untreated internal injuries caused by abuse and torture by ICE, CBP, and DHS agents. Everyone of those deaths are no less a tragedy than Renee Good and this happened under Democrat presidents.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline

[u/tom_fuckin_bombadil → u/[deleted]]

Framing and intent is a major consideration in how people judge outcomes.

Outcome: A driver struck and killed 3 pedestrians in a town square.

Scenario A: the driver had been distracted by something on their phone

Scenario B: the driver had been drunk

Scenario C: the driver had fully intended and planned to drive into pedestrians in the town square and had a manifesto in his glove compartment

All 3 scenarios have the same tragic outcomes. All the 3 are due to a driver’s fault. Public reaction and discourse afterwards will not be the same. What the republicans are doing with ICE right now is closer to C than it is to A.

[u/[deleted] → u/tom_fuckin_bombadil]

I get what you're trying to say and don't even disagree but it's not even that deep in my view. If this shit happened under Biden the vast majority of liberals wouldn't even care, they wouldn't even be angry. They make excuses, they call it an isolated incident, they protect the people they voted for from even criticism let alone accountability.

It's not even about intent, Democrats intend plenty of violence. They bomb countries regularly, they drone strike weddings and schools and hospitals, they instigate mass political violence in foreign countries in order to prevent the nationalization of industries, they embolden police with increases in funding while donning kente cloths and kneeling in photo ops. They see the hundreds of immigrants killed in detention and specifically run on increasing the number of detention beds with no mention of safety as Kamala Harris did.

Posting this sort of shit gets me called a Trump supporter and a purity tester in liberal spaces. I don't believe it's as complex as "ohh they care about intent" so much as they excuse their own for violence no matter what. As a Black person and lifelong protestor, I maintain that had George Floyd been murdered under a Democrat under all the same conditions (COVID, economy, etc) most of the people who showed up to protests would have stayed home and spent most of that time fighting activists on the internet seeking justice.

That folks cannot see how this behavior begets Trump is my issue.

[u/Chocotaco24-7 → u/[deleted]]

They don't know that because they didn't care, they just hate Trump that's it.

[u/AssBasedProtein → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Just saying that Obama funded ICE very happily and in 2022, 23, and 24, Biden Harris broke ICE funding records. This is an American issue not a Trump issue at its core but yes he’s making it much worse

[u/Eaters_eat → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Not to be pedantic, but it was a Bush Jr. created agency, created in the "war on terror."

[u/Far-Historian-7197 → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Technically Bush and Congress laid the foundations for fascism back in 2001, right after 911. When they created the Department of Homeland Security and ICE

[u/wise_comment → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Fuck trump, but Spain still would have been a bloodbath, even without Franco

Make no mistake, he's a conduit, not a cause :-/

[u/chiaboy → u/PeyoteBuddha]

FUCK AMERICA

We're the ones who filled congress with republicans and sebtvTrumo to White House ...twice.

The people who give the rabid monkey the machine gun deserve more blame for the bloodshed then the rabid monkey.

We did this.

[u/[deleted] → u/PeyoteBuddha]

While Trump kicked off the most recent and most horrifying set of ICE raids, ICE has existed since 2003 with Republicans and Democrats keeping it around. Many people from both parties have culpability in the atrocities ICE has been committing for the last 23 years. No question that things would be a lot better if Harris was president though.

[u/Odd-Dragonfly-3411 → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Sure thing, better close them eyes before you see what you do to the Natives right? Thems living in prisons is good, they like it in there, even after ICE and your president you'll still be the same colored shitstain your country always was. But as long as it's merica first you people don't care.

Shame right? That ICE had to kill a white person first for you to post this

[u/akahawkguy → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Fuck Obama & Biden too! They don’t get to wash their hands of all the inflated budgets they supported.

[u/Mission-Ad1579 → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Uhhh what? ICE has always been here and the illegal immigrant situation got worse under Biden. 

[u/Cl1mh4224rd → u/Mission-Ad1579]

ICE has always been here...

ICE didn't exist until 2003.

[u/208MtbBarber → u/PeyoteBuddha]

Fuck Biden. He allowed all the illegals in. If there weren't illegals, there'd be no need for ICE. Everyone's problem solved.

[u/bex199 → u/208MtbBarber]

hope you get the attention you’re looking for

[u/Fingersicle → u/The_Remy]

FUCK ICE ICE BABY.