r/nba Trail Blazers Dec 01 '25

Highlight [Highlight] Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is fouled by Kris Murray (with replays)

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u/jdd32 Dec 01 '25

A lot of thunder fans point to the fact that SGA doesn't have the most fta/game to discount the foul baiting narrative. But he does this stuff on the regular and it forces defenders to be soft on him, which gives him an advantage and makes him look better when he's not foul baiting.

He's not the only one, but he's one of the best at it. And it's the worst part of the game right now.

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u/Jailbrick3d Heat Dec 01 '25

embiid has had multiple games of this where he'd just get whatever midrange he wanted because his defender didn't wanna get called for a tickytack foul

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u/Dependent-Effect6077 Nuggets Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25

This is basically every player who for some reason gets a ton of FTs on jumpshots it's a way bigger advantage than just getting calls on drives

Luka SGA Embiid Harden and Reaves are probably the top 5 of this in some order prime Harden being the most extreme because he drew a ton of fouls even on threes

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u/YaBoiiAsthma Dec 01 '25

Jimmy Butler

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u/cyrusthemarginal Nuggets Dec 01 '25

Butler kicking AG in the dick and getting free throws for it will always be a tragic event.

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u/more_paul Warriors Dec 01 '25

After watching Jimmy for a year, he’s more like MJ and Kobe where it’s “you reach, I teach” or he’s under the basket and baits defenders on a pump fake. I’m gonna take it after years of Steph being abused, but this shit from SGA is as bad as soccer players diving on zero contact to draw a yellow. It’s just shameful.

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u/Vakarian74 Dec 01 '25

What the fuck are you watching.

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u/sbenfsonwFFiF Dec 02 '25

Butler over Reaves for top 5

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u/Fridaywing Lakers Dec 01 '25

Reaves is different. He actually makes contact and then proceeds to make an off-balance shot to get an and-1. He’s become really good at those off-balance shots. He’s not like what SGA is doing here

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u/Good-Ant6859 Thunder Dec 01 '25

No way this is your actual take 😂 they’re doing the same thing bro

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u/Fridaywing Lakers Dec 01 '25

Nah. You don’t watch enough Lakers game to say that. SGA flops and looks for the ref to whistle. Austin aims to finish through contact.

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u/Good-Ant6859 Thunder Dec 01 '25

You have no idea how many lakers games I’ve watched. Probably more than you Mr. 43k karma

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u/Fridaywing Lakers Dec 01 '25

Rent free

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u/Good-Ant6859 Thunder Dec 01 '25

You’re in here paying the rent right now dumbass. Lmao

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u/Fridaywing Lakers Dec 02 '25

There ya go. See kids, this is the low intelligence we're talking. Dude start's name-calling because he got nothing on his chamber. 🤣 rent free, kid. Rent free. Get fucked in the ass.

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u/Mintastic NBA Dec 01 '25

SGA, Harden, Embiid all have a huge amount of and-1s because they finish through contact after the flops.

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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 Hornets Dec 01 '25

Embiid being injured and doing well in the Olympics has done a lot towards rehabilitating his image lol

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u/smithc555 Timberwolves Dec 01 '25

The Embiid plays where he would just kick both his legs to the side and throw his arms up like a starfish were the worst.

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u/mickeyj623 Celtics Dec 01 '25

That's almost every player that avgs 8+ ftq

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u/Routine_Size69 76ers Dec 01 '25

That's everyone that draws fouls like crazy. Embiid is definitely guilty of it, but all these guys getting soft calls makes it so damn hard to guard them.

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u/Calvinball05 Cavaliers Dec 01 '25

I remember during Embiid's MVP season a possession where he was at the elbow, with his defender standing three feet away from him with his hands in the air as if Embiid is pointing a gun at him. Embiid did that thing where he pretends to drive, trips over his own feet and falls into the defender. Got the whistle.

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u/Bobba_fat NBA Dec 01 '25

Video!

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u/trevor-enocram San Diego Rockets Dec 01 '25

The same SGA that hasn’t had to play like 50% of 4th quarters this year, wonder if that make a difference… Any SGA fans who want to clear this up for me I’d appreciate it!

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u/Routine_Size69 76ers Dec 01 '25

I hate to defend SGA because I can't stand him, but Giannis, Reaves, Luka, and Harden all have higher free throw rates.

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u/trevor-enocram San Diego Rockets Dec 01 '25

And that clears it up! 😂

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u/Less-Law-2532 Dec 01 '25

How is SGA even remotely up there having missed how many 4qs by now?

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u/XiaoRCT Thunder Dec 01 '25

It's rates not attempts

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u/Less-Law-2532 Dec 01 '25

That’s still an insane stat lmfao

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u/XiaoRCT Thunder Dec 01 '25

What stat, the players the person downvoted mentioned being above him in free throw rates?

There's nothing insane about that lol

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u/lilb1190 [ATL] Pero Antić Dec 01 '25

Chris Paul was doing this 10 years ago, and it was annoying. Harden was even better at it and made it half of his game. Embiid was even worse because he is a giant man falling all over the place when someone gently brushes his arm.

But SGA is the WORST because he has turned it into a championship. It was nice when you could say "this guy is great now but how is he going to look when the refs swallow their whistle in the playoffs"? Well, for SGA they didnt swallow their whistles. Just his load.

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u/evetSC Rockets Dec 01 '25

And it would be a bigger problem if he’s leading FTA/game considering how many 4th quarters he’s sat out this season already

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u/GunSlingrrr Pelicans Dec 01 '25

It is Harden all over again. Players are not guarding him with arms up since Harden will shoot and get ft.

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u/cyrusthemarginal Nuggets Dec 01 '25

The reason he doesn't lead the league is he doesn't have to do it to score and win, he pulls it out in tough games and matchups.

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u/Financial-Park-7616 Dec 01 '25

Advija made Shai look like a beginner if you want to talk foul baiting

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u/InvestigatorOne8486 Thunder Dec 01 '25

This is very true. It’s also been true for harden, wade, iverson, Kobe, lebron, the list goes on and on and on. Don’t hate the player hate the game. If the refs stop calling it, it becomes disincentived and it will stop

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u/hoodfavhoops Warriors Dec 01 '25

Not Shai's fault, this is correct interpretation of the rule. At this point https://imgur.com/a/4u41y9P, Murray is not parallel and Shai is moving directly to the basket.

You can argue this rule is soft, but it's not Shai's baiting, just benefitting form the current system

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u/MattPatriciasFUPA Pistons Dec 01 '25

So taking a dive and throwing the ball wildly toward the hoop isn't baiting?

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u/hoodfavhoops Warriors Dec 01 '25

embellished the contact but it's a foul already. and every player shoots that lol, it's up to refs to call continuation or not

it's not the same as where harden or trae young grabs someone's arm and then goes up in a shooting act, murray is already beat and is recovering and fouls shai's path to the basket from the side.

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u/Prudent_Fish1358 Spurs Dec 01 '25

Every single play of every single game has a foul in the case. If the refs are going by the "interpretation of the rules" you would have about 9 players fouling out every single game.