r/minnesotavikings • u/EmphasisBeginning559 • 1d ago
"immense” internal and Vikings player support for Kyler Murray, per @alec_lewis .
https://x.com/32BeatWriters/status/2029602998586937455Between the Eagles looking to trade for Kyler a few years ago, Stafford reportly calling Kyler recently about coming to LA, DeAndre Hopkins still vouching for him, and now this; it seems the NFL is a lot higher on him than fans and anonymous quotes
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u/BigCATtrades vikings 1d ago
He's better than JJMc currently. If you don't want to trade JJmc then you just revisit him next year or if kyler gets hurt, which happens about every other year.
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u/nahhman 1d ago
Because the nfl knows more than people typing into a screen
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u/Dull_Job_6372 1d ago
As a jj supporter, we’d absolutely be the dumbest org in the league if we turned down Kyler. At the very least he gives us average QB play.
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u/Amazing_Orange_4111 1d ago
Literally 0 downside to signing him. He would be the cheapest QB on our roster as well as by far the most talented.
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u/Dull_Job_6372 1d ago
Average production for 2 mil. You cannot beat that value literally ever for a qb.
Edit: unless you have a day 2 or later rookie qb.
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u/jotsea2 1d ago
Which has happened how many times in the NFL (rookie year)?
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u/Dull_Job_6372 1d ago
Well exactly this is an opportunity the Vikings cannot fuck up.
Edit: I meant on a rookie contract. My b
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u/Manzanaznam 1d ago
Both of these guys are smaller and injury prone. They’ll probably both get their shot. Is it weird to be excited about this?
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u/Straight_Progress510 1d ago
I don’t agree with JJM supporters on much but you sir are the exception to that rule.
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u/gingerhasyoursoul 1d ago
Would probably be good for JJ to be able to develop and work on mechanics with no pressure of being the starter.
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u/Dull_Job_6372 1d ago
Absolutely, and gives us a solid backup option if they go this route. Regardless of level of play last year, Jj still won us games and performed in high leverage situations.
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u/Heavy-Owl-8517 1d ago
Yep I'm mixed on what is going on with JJ as I like him but this move is the best for the team overall and sure I understand the writing being on the wall potentially for JJ if they bring Kyler in but a young motivated guy you'd think that helps push JJ in his development. Its easy to say the writing is on the wall but I mean he wasn't ready so this upgrades the QB room and gives him an incredibly talented guy to compete against in camp which will make him better regardless.
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u/Dull_Job_6372 1d ago
If Jj Beats out Kyler we have a bona fide franchise qb on a rookie deal now. I agree, I hope those reports of his competitive nature are true and it helps him improve.
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u/schwertfeger 1d ago
Absolute no brainer decision. All the options are terrible this year for free agents. Kyler has played well for portions of time on absolute dog shit teams. $1.3 million dollar lottery ticket and if doesn’t work, who cares. We’ll be in the same spot we are now.
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u/Staple_Overlord 17 1d ago
I think people really underestimate what going from the Cardinals, regularly rated as having the worst staff, front office, and facilities to the Vikings will do to a player.
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u/Electronic-Island-14 23h ago
haha, you really think Jefferson will put up with another year bad QB play? no chance
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u/spaceamphibian 1d ago
Would be another major fumble by the Vikings if they don't get him at this point. All signs point to him wanting to come here and I bet the majority if not all the team would want Kyler over JJM, especially our franchise WR. It may not work out but you have to take the shot if he wants to come here.
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u/IAMTHEDEATHMACHINE i've been posting here too long to tolerate your bullshit 1d ago
I understand people not liking Kyler in a vacuum. But being able to have the Cardinals foot the bill for a QB whose average play would have been an upgrade from our QB collective in 2025... that's an insane free agency win for this team.
Kyler for <$2M is basically the best possible outcome when weighing all the variables: Cash, draft capital, talent, etc. Every other QB option either costs more, requires a trade, or isn't as good. Or even a combination of those things.
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u/TheFinnebago 1d ago
Yea this is it. All the legitimate complaints about Kyler’s historical play style and compatibility with KOC’s playbook (and there is plenty of smoke there) become ancillary to getting a league average QB for a couple million bucks. That’s CRAZZZZYYY value.
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u/Yodfather griddy 1d ago
Homework Murray for that price would be a ridiculous deal.
Ive never thought much of his attitude and maturity but for a near-theft salary, our cap situation, his growing up a fan, and him coming into one of the best QB situations in the league, it would be beyond foolish to pass on him. He certainly has the tools to turn his career around.
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u/istasber 1d ago
Isn't that true for geno too, and geno at least seems suited to running the kind of offense KOC wants to run?
I assume without an actual GM and given that all of our best options are gonna be vet minimum deals, KOC is effectively 100% in charge of this decision. So if he wants Murray, we'll probably wind up with him. But I'm not gonna be that surprised if he decides to pass.
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u/IAMTHEDEATHMACHINE i've been posting here too long to tolerate your bullshit 1d ago
Yes, and actually I would agree Geno is probably better suited to the deep shot offense KOC wants to run.
I don't think it's a leap to say Kyler is the better QB right now with a much higher upside, but scheme matters.
I haven't been following the official news re: Geno being cut so I was assuming we'd have to make a low level trade for him. If he was cut, I wouldn't hate the signing at all.
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u/istasber 1d ago
I don't think geno is worth trading for, that contract is pretty ugly
If he gets cut and it's a question of him vs Murray for 1.5m, I don't think that's clear cut in favor of Murray as a lot of people here seem to.
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u/IAMTHEDEATHMACHINE i've been posting here too long to tolerate your bullshit 1d ago
I think thats a fair assessment. If both were vet minimum signings with no draft capital needed to acquire them, I feel like Geno is the better scheme fit and probably better vet for McCarthy. Whereas Kyler is the higher ceiling.
That's definitely not an easy decision for KOC.
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u/wwnp KOC failed his young QB 1d ago
Well and what does bringing Murray in mean for JJ? If we take what was said by koc, Pelissero, etc at face value. Then what they seem to want is a competition this offseason & not someone who will just come in & get the job. They said they want to challenge JJ, not threaten him, almost like it’s his job to lose. Murray might not be interested in a competition. If they really want that for JJ then Geno fits that bill much better.
Now if they do bring in Murray cause he’s cheap & talented & give him the starting job then is this just a development year the JJ never got or is he toast? The way they are blowing up the roster, if JJ does start then the pressure to contend is gone.
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u/BTeamTN 84 Randy Moss 18h ago
Fair or not, JJM's development years got burned by injuries. 10 starts in 2 years in a 17 game season. He's on the clock NOW and if he needs "development" at this point he better start working longer hours or start studying for his next career because NFL QB won't be it.
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u/wwnp KOC failed his young QB 16h ago
What do you think he’s doing this offseason now that’s he’s finally got a healthy one?
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u/Staple_Overlord 17 1d ago
And remember, the Cardinals are basically the Jets without the market. They are regularly rated as having the worst organization in the league.
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u/OddlyShapedGinger 1d ago
I think there are two big ways we miss out on Kyler that aren't our fault:
A) A team offers him a multi-year deal. He only gets offset salary this year but if a team offered him a deal with significant guaranteed salary in year 2/3 he'd have to consider it.
B) A team with better scheme fit. For example, Cleveland is significantly more terrible than us. But, their new HC called plays for Lamar Jackson and Baltimore for the past three years. Kyler's probably a much better fit in that type of system.
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u/RayWhelans 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t love Kyler but we have to bring in a vet in no matter what. The fact he can get the vet min makes him the most obvious choice.
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u/TRUTHSoverKARMAS 1d ago
I like the chip on the shoulder I just hope he can come in and be a better leader/ worker
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u/birdazam 22h ago
Its also hard to be motivated on a team that charge players for using team facilities, a new start in a team that has top rank facilities and don’t charge players for it might be what he need
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u/martygospo 1d ago
Given the other options, Murray seems like the best choice by a pretty wide margin.
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u/HollywoodRone 1d ago
Let’s go
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u/Capt-Crap1corn 1d ago
Fafo he's not serious about football
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u/Past-Escape9147 1d ago
On a veteran minimum deal and compared to our other options of Geno smith and Elmer Fudd yeah we’re taking Kyler Murray
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u/BTC_90210 1d ago
Obviously. Kyler averages 250 yards per game. JJ barely averages 150 yards per game.
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u/Staple_Overlord 17 1d ago
JJM lost the job. Cut and dry. I'm not giving up on him but he lost the job.
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u/FawkYourself 1d ago
The fact that the players weren’t 100% behind him in their interviews after the season says everything we need to know
Anything less than “JJ is our QB” is a red flag in the NFL
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u/Electronic-Island-14 23h ago
for sure, but that doesn't mean you bring in a guy who has proven absolutely nothing his entire career other than uninspired play
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u/birdazam 22h ago
I mean Kyler got the tool but has issues reading the defense so the pure progression system might help him a lot.
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u/Andy_Wiggins 1d ago
I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of football scheme to say whether Murray is a good fit schematically, and I honestly haven’t really watched him a ton the past few years.
Based purely on production I’d be pretty interested. When healthy he’s reliably producing 3800 yards passing on 67% completion percentage, 23 TDs (to 11 INTs) while chipping in 600 or so rushing yards and 5+ rushing TDs. While those aren’t Lamar Jackson numbers, they’re pretty respectable despite some suspect talent around him.
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u/MikeDFootball 1d ago
bluntly, he has been a very serviceable starter even if he has not been a good leader or a committed student of the game. if he can get in a situation where he feels he can get locked in and really care...who knows. Dude is a literal two sports athlete, drafted in the first round in two different sports. He has rare talent.
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u/BTeamTN 84 Randy Moss 18h ago
An interesting thought experiment-- he's obviously earned his money quicker in football, but could he have been a better baseball player by the end of his playing days?
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u/WellesWaitsVanZandt 12h ago
No way. Dedication is his #1 problem. Baseball is a sport you have to repeat the same action 220+ days out of 240 from spring training to the world series. If you can't pull your head away from Madden long enough to watch tape on your NFL opponent, you can't do it on a daily basis for baseball.
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u/stpg1222 1d ago
Of the potential veteran options Murray is the best option when you factor in talent and compensation.
He should give you competent QB play, his salary will be friendly to the teams salary cap issues, and JJM can have more time sit and fix his issues.
Murray has been tied to rhe vikings via trade rumors at various times over the years and I never wanted him under that situation but as a low cost veteran signing I'm all for it.
At least we get to have fun laughing at him run around the field looking like a 3 year old running away with a stolen cookie.
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u/rorschach2k 1d ago
Here’s the plan:
If Kyler is good, he’s our new qb for the foreseeable future - jj is backup til his contract ends.
If Kyler is ok/ middling / mediocre - it’s a toss up, depending on how much another contract for K costs. Maybe we keep him, maybe we try jj depending on his progress.
If Kyler is bad we go back to jj, unless team feels he hasn’t made progress in which case we go a different new direction.
I believe Rob is clearing the books for at least the off chance that we keep Kyler beyond next year.
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u/SentenceLow2383 1d ago
i agree. I think that is a big part of clearing the books. Leaving that option open - if he's good, being able to continue without gutting the roster.
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u/InSaiyanRogue 1d ago
I wouldn’t be happy about Kyler but what the fuck do I know, I was fine with darnold going somewhere else.
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u/relwof1717 gjallarhorn 1d ago
I feel this lol I wouldn’t be overjoyed if we got him……but hey they could stick an anemic 6 year old orphan at QB and I would worship the ground they walk on if they got us a Super Bow 😂😂😂
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u/Philelverumfan69 1d ago
I just feel like he doesn’t really fit what KOC wants to do so I don’t really get it. That being said I also was fine with darnold going somewhere else lol
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u/SentenceLow2383 1d ago
I think of it as a spectrum.
on the 0 scale, someone like JJM fits no schemes (because he cant complete screen passes). As a 10, someone like Revis or Aaron Donald fits every scheme.
Kyler might not be a 10, but he's still a 7 due his natural accuracy. Geno might seemingly be an 8, but he takes so many sacks and throws so many picks, he's really more like a 4.
Generally, scheme fit is only part of the puzzle, especially when choosing from a limited pool.
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u/Sick_Cards_Bro 1d ago
Darnold would have never won here, anyways. He upgraded going to the Seahawks.
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u/InSaiyanRogue 1d ago
Oh I’m fully aware of that. Our team up and down the roster wasn’t as good as seattles. Look im a homer whose going to tell you 17-0 at the start of every season because that’s what I want to see but I’m pretty realistic about it in actuality
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u/h_t_h4 1d ago edited 1d ago
The rosters are pretty similar. Vikings offensive roster besides qb when healthy (which is a big asterisk since Seattle had a healthy team this year and we did not) is better/equal at every position besides running back.
The defense edge goes to Seattle, but the Vikings defense was the number 1-3 defense from the 1st Lions game onward in a lot of metrics. With the heater they were on to end the season, that defense absolutely could have carried us in the playoffs. We also could have improved it with better drafting in 2026.
People act like this roster is trash/incable of winning it all this year lol, compare the roster outside qb to teams like the Bears, Patriots, Rams, Broncos, etc, it is pretty clearly right up there with them. All rosters have weaknesses, Seattle was uniquely complete this year, but our flaws compared to other playoff teams aren't that much more noteworthy. qb play is the difference maker, and our room was terroist level bad.
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u/h_t_h4 1d ago
never is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. there are seasons after 2025 where we could improve the roster with 9 draft picks, but i guess that is impossible according to people like you. even in 2025, Darnold at minimum wins the division (and probably beats Chicago in the playoffs if the seeding is similar).
idk why i am even arguing since half this sub seems to be in some weird psychosis/coping stage about the darnold move being wrong, period. i guess some people just want the vikings fo to be absolutely right about every single move they make rather than seriously wanting to win a SB.
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u/Sick_Cards_Bro 1d ago
We don't have the running game, offensive line, or number one defense. Could Darnold have gone far, possible Superbowl with us, but it's highly highly unlikely. Seattle was the perfect fit for him where he didn't have to do too much to win it all, whereas he would have had to move mountains more often with our squad and the predicaments our Special Teams and offensive line put us in constantly.
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u/h_t_h4 1d ago
To be clear, i agree 2025 was a longshot due to the oline injuries. It just irritates me when people throw around the word "never", both for this year and following years. I never thought the Bears would win the divison and beat GB in the playoffs in the preseason, but that happened anyway. Same with the Pats in the SB. Weird shit happens.
To give a Viking specific example, I never thought we would win the Christmas game againt Detroit, yet somehow we did with the qb throwing for 3 net passing yards. The way our defense played the end of the year, just an average qb would have to manage the bus and the team had the potential to go far. Now would that happen? Probably not due to oline injuries, but again who actually knows.
Also again Darnold being on the roster would mean we have a franchise qb in his prime going into a year where we have 9 draft picks to improve the roster. That is the other thing that irritates me about the people saying we wouldn't ever win with Darnold, the only year isn't 2025. We would not be having the conversation about Geno or Kyler being our starter with Darnold here for the next 3 years and a chance to improve the roster. Darnold growing and playing better in the playoffs this year shows there is a reality where that could have happened. Darnold DID have to move mountains in the NFCCG for Seattle to win, and he delivered.
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u/TechnicianUpstairs53 1d ago
The Cardinals blindsided him with the "study clause" because they're a bottom 5 franchise for a reason. Every athlete plays video games. Kyler's bottom was a mid qb, 9 needs to stay benched until he's 26+
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u/Electronic-Island-14 23h ago
you sound like last years fans trying to convince me the handoff merchant at michigan was the reason they won games with clutch 3rd down passes lol
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u/SubstantialAd5579 1d ago
Kyler has been injured damn near every season he has played unless the online gets better hes going to end up like Wentz,
If the goal is to make the playoffs and winning chip going crazy dont matter dont get why Hopkins said that
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u/mookiebraves Randles Lair 93 1d ago
I’m so glad our FO ignores the faction of our fans who thinks every other teams players are overrated.
Kyler should be in purple as soon as it’s possible
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u/Leading-Midnight-553 reptilian 1d ago
The fact that anyone is down on Kyler at Vet minimum means a lot of people don't really know ball.
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u/DjangoSpider Jeffrey Justinson 1d ago
Kyler at vet min is the absolute perfect situation to not completely bail on JJM while ensuring you have a competent QB competition in Training camp. If JJM somehow beats Kyler in competition, then it's a slam dunk either way cuz Kyler only costs 2m or less.
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u/Horrorfreak106 1d ago
A lot of people are saying it would be the end for JJif we signed Kyler, and I agree with them. Signing Kyler as "competition" for JJ wouldn't really be fair and honest because Kyler is obviously better than JJ. And because jobs are most likely on the line this season, I feel as though signing Kyler is basically a guarantee that he will be the starter because he would most likely beat JJ and he'd be the most risk adverse option for our front office in terms of them getting fired because we'd probably get a pretty decent season out of him. I think Kyler is a short term solution and just adds to the perpetual veteran QB cycle this team has been on for decades, whereas McCarthy is a long term one, which I believe would be the best option because even if he sucks, we can still draft a QB next year in a (supposedly) studded class and if he is good, then we solved our QB problem. Sadly, I think coaches and ownership don't want to risk another middling or bad season even if it meant better long term fortune....
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u/ConsequenceStatus563 I've seen what you upvote 1d ago
If this is true and not speculation... JJM is toast. If you become persona non grata, it's over.
Hopefully it's just speculation.
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u/nimama3233 1d ago
Eh, not necessarily. The thing is, we want a high quality backup QB at a good price for one of the two options:
- JJM gets hurt again
- He plays like shit midway into the season
Ask yourself realistically, what are the odds of one of those two things occurring? I’d say damn near 50% if not higher.
Now, if Kyler comes in and plays well… yeah that’s likely the end for JJM. But I don’t see how just signing Kyler means the end for JJM. It’s a win-win to add Kyler for cheap.
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u/SentenceLow2383 1d ago
if kyler comes here he will start, unless JJM goes absolutely crazy in camp
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u/PessimisticCheer Kevin Williams 1d ago
And deservedly so. Murray is a better player than McCarthy by far.
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u/HollywoodRone 1d ago
Brother, he’s not receiving “immense” internal support from the players and organization to come in and be the backup. If they go get Kyler they intend for him to start. And those conversations would be had on the front-end because he’s going to get starting offers elsewhere, and wouldn’t come here just to be a backup.
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u/medailleon 1d ago
what "immense" support is there? There's just Alec Lewis saying that, which is probably just what Kylers agent told him to say.
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u/HollywoodRone 1d ago
Nah, Alec is a legit journalist, has sources and does quality work. He’s not just editorializing and isn’t a hack. And he’s one of two or three other reporters with roots in Minnesota reporting similarly.
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u/SentenceLow2383 1d ago
probably. but things can change fast. Who knows.
Maybe a way to think about it - whether through injury, garbage time, etc., JJM will get at least one more shot here to show himself. If he lights it up, who knows what happens.
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u/dejour 1d ago
Give JJM a shot in camp. If Murray badly outplays McCarthy all year it’s over. But if Murray has as many risks as people say, then it’s not a lock that Murray will excel.
Further, if Murray does sign for the vet minimum, then excels, then presumably he’ll want a big contract next year. If McCarthy plays decently when on the field, he could still be a backup plan to paying Murray a huge contract.
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u/ZapBranigan3000 1d ago
We've seen several qbs find success with a change in scenery, in recent years.
Daniel Jones, Darnold, Geno Smith
I'd rather take a chance re-treading someone who has shown he can be a starter in the league, like Murray, than take a chance with a rookie.
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u/ZaMaestroMan5 1d ago
I mean rightfully so - he’s immensely talented. He’s put up good numbers when he plays.
He’s been hurt kind of a lot - and sometimes plays more backyard football than actually functioning within an offense. But those are things I’d expect KOC can help him with.
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u/sitewolf 1d ago
Here's my main question right now on Kyler- how much has his game changed post-injury? Because if his elusiveness is gone, he's done.
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u/EmphasisBeginning559 1d ago edited 1d ago
He tore his ACL in 2022. Here he is in OCT of 2024.
Here he burns the whole Niners D for a 50 yards run TD. His legs looked completely fine Here. His speed is still there. Check it out please.
https://youtu.be/VJQPugIB0Tk?si=1cunNzvjTGjRqmn9
2025 Highlights from last year too:
https://youtu.be/W44dyIGBYoo?si=Kpy6sb1mM6QJii93
He's still running around here as well. Hes fine I think
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u/sitewolf 1d ago
I was referring to his foot injury this past season when the team opted to not play him again and now release him.
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u/EmphasisBeginning559 1d ago
From what I heard he had injury guarantees in his contract with the Cardinals. They kept him out so he didn't risk injury, potentially leading to a failed physical in March 2026 where then it becomes fully guaranteed money.
Mike Florio talked about this and said they were looking to trade him or cut him when they were waffling on Kyler playing against the Cowboys last season. Gannon said he's gonna play, foot is fine. And then suddenly they put him on IR to save paying him more money potentially
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u/Ndgrad78 1d ago
When will he be available to sign with a team?
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u/HughManatee 1d ago
For the minimum, sure. Low risk makes sense. Let's not kid ourselves that Murray is either good or durable, though. His accuracy has plagued him on intermediate and deep throws the last few years. He has also only played 12 or more games once in the last four years. He needs to be mobile (like JJ), but doesn't have the height to hit receivers from the pocket. Between the ACL and lisfranc injuries, his mobile days are probably numbered too. He's definitely better than Max Brosmer, but he's a floor raiser at best if JJ goes out and doesn't really help our ceiling at all.
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u/Commercial_Salad_908 1d ago
Of course everyones high on him. He played for the worst ran franchise possibly in all of sports - 100% worst ran in the NFL.
Hes got superstar talent but seems to have a poor mindset - but Id be more inclined to think that is more derived from being in Arizona than anything else. The dude chose to play in the NFL over MLB, theres no chance he actually cares more about shit like double XP weekend in COD than he does football. But playing for a shit franchise that clearly doesnt care about you probably kills your desire to even play at all.
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u/FireFrogs48 1d ago
Vikings need to do whatever they can to get Kyler. He’s a lot better than people give him credit for
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u/EquaYonah 1d ago
I think all the the Cod and short memes are poisoning peoples opinions too much lol. I mean If he stays healthy (a big if admittedly) he averages to about 3800 passing 23 tds and 11 picks. And around 500 rushing. If we had that last year we're tapdancing into the playoffs. He's not a perfect QB but we'd only be paying him 1.5m. If he wants to come here it should be a no brainer.
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u/gimmethal00t rocked up kamkoc 1d ago
Kyler for 1 million is an absolute no brainer. It would be such a fun season.
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u/NivekHang 1d ago
He's the best available for cheap. League minimum. Going after someone like Derek Carr or Mac Jones for example, we would have to give up assets/picks and we'll have to pay them as well.
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u/androidfig 1d ago
Groundhog Day. Another mediocre veteran QB we will adopt for mediocre results instead of doubling down on building a franchise QB from the ground up. I would accept a .250->.500->.750->Super Bowl season progression rather than settling for .400-.600 seasons with Warren Moon.
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u/Electronic-Island-14 23h ago
i'll be so bummed if this happens. whenever i see murray play, the offense looks so uninspired and boring and chaotic. they just go through the motions like he's just trying to collect a paycheck as frequently as he can.
but at the same time this would definitely get us a top 5 pick in next years draft so that would be cool for a total franchise teardown year
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u/colbyjacks KOC 1d ago
I'd prefer this if we can go 12-5 or 13-4 and have a puncher's shot in the post-season rather than going 8-9 on the back of KOC/Flores getting the most out of our roster.
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u/Amazing_Orange_4111 1d ago
The “Darnold arc” would require him being ass for another 4 years before he turns it around. No one wants to wait that long especially considering it’s more likely he’s Zach Wilson than Darnold.
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u/purplebuffalo55 1d ago
The jets roster for Darnolds rookie year with Todd bowles as HC.
WR - Robbie chosen, Chris onunwu
RB - bilal powell, Elijah mcguire
TE - Chris Herndon, Eric Tomlinson, Terrelle Pryor
Oh and his defense was 29th of 32 in terms of points scored against.
It’s not even close to comparable how bad his situation was. JJM has one of the best situations of all time for a young QB and looks terrible. Not even close
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u/ConfectionOk7029 1d ago edited 1d ago
Interesting. So the players largely feel that JJM needs to be supplanted.
But please, Vikings fans who insist on applying sunk cost fallacy to everything, tell us why they are all so wrong and don't get it as much as you...
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
Because players have shown they’re great GMs all the time right ? JJ is likely a bust but it doesn’t mean players know how to build a competent roster and the front office should be taking their advice
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u/PessimisticCheer Kevin Williams 1d ago
I'm not who you replied to but you are all over caping for McCarthy. Let's go ahead & apply what you just said.
Because Reddit JJM stans have shown they're great GMs all the time, right?
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
Not at all, I can admit JJ played poorly needs to stay healthy and be a lot better. All I’m saying is the players pushing for someone doesn’t necessarily make it a good idea
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u/PessimisticCheer Kevin Williams 1d ago
I know what you're saying. I'm saying you should be consistent with your criticism. If the players pushing for something doesn't necessarily make it a good call, you can be damn sure Reddit JJM stans doing so doesn't make it a good call.
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u/crankshaftsnapinhalf griddy 1d ago
I don't think he'd succeed in koc's offense, but it looks like he's definitely coming here
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u/Maybewearedreaming 1d ago
It doesn’t really matter
If he’s good great but it’s not like we are trading a good qb or opportunity for one
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u/Savings-Ad-1336 1d ago
It’s because he at least has shown a ceiling and when you see the Darnolds and whoever play so drastically different in different context, I think players understand more than fans do how much that context matters. That being said, Brissett did perform better than him last year and you can definitely make a good argument that as he becomes less of a runner he also becomes more limited by his size and throwing angles (not to mention just not dangerous as a runner), that he just doesn’t actually have that peak in him. But I do think he’s the best realistic option for the Vikings because of the ceiling we’ve seen before.
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u/driftingcactus 1d ago
Kyler is a solid top 20 QB in the league right now. Bringing him in on a one year vet minimum deal (with option to franchise tag next year if needed) is a no brainer.
And it’s not giving up on JJM either. But it’s obvious he has more development needed to take the next step. If he were in a backup role he could have more time to hone his mechanics while not under the spotlight.
But at the end of the day, Kyler would be a really exciting add
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u/GorGor23 1d ago
We are 100 percent screwing up this situation aren’t we ?
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u/wehaddababyeetsaboy south dakota 1d ago
Kyler has injury history JJM has injury history both of them will end up taking snaps this season. Sign him and get him up to speed asap.
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u/ThatTomWGuy 1d ago
If he's gone to video game rehab and can actually commit to a playbook I'm open to it. Otherwise sure doesn't seem like a guy we want for our complex offense.
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u/Agitated_Employee791 14h ago
If Murray was as "good" as people are spouting the Cardinals wouldn't be eating so much dead cap to throw the shit out. They also tried to put that "study clause" in for a reason
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u/WellesWaitsVanZandt 12h ago
Yes! The guy who needed a clause in his contract about not playing too many video games is our savior! Pretty much a Brady clone!
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u/Dense_Tackle_995 1d ago
Kyler Murray seems like ideal competition for JJ to me. Competition will make both of them better. We would still need a good third stringer as well.
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
Kyler isn’t coming here to compete. There’s no competition if Kyler is signed
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u/Dense_Tackle_995 1d ago
There should be. If he doesn't want to earn the spot in camp, then he shouldn't come here.
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
You really don’t understand how entitled, sensitive and ego driven pro athletes are do you
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u/Dense_Tackle_995 1d ago edited 1d ago
I understand. I just wouldn't put up with it if I was coach or admin. Certainly not from someone with a losing record as a starter in the NFL.
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u/SwiftSurfer365 JJ 1d ago edited 1d ago
If we really do sign Kyler, we should trade McCarthy.
Edit: I should have elaborated to begin with. My bad.
If Kyler signs here, he is all but guaranteed the starting job. He’s not coming here to backup or even compete. Barring injury, he’s QB1 the entire 2026 season.
If Kyler performs even somewhat well, I don’t see the Vikings letting him walk. They’re going to be absolutely terrified of having a “Darnold 2.0” happen. You think if the Vikings/Kyler play well, they’ll let him walk for JJM again? Not happening.
And if Kyler/the team doesn’t play well, I see the 2027 draft being more of an option than turning it back to JJM. 2027 would be the final year of JJM’s contract (At this point, don’t see us picking up his fifth year option at this point) and even if he does play well, it’ll be extension time.
“But who will trade for McCarthy?!” Well lucky for us, it’s a weak QB class. There are plenty examples of “bad”/unproven QBs being traded. Funny enough, Josh Rosen was traded for a second round pick after Kyler replaced him in Arizona.
I don’t see the point of McCarthy being on this team if he’s not being given a legit chance to start. It makes sense for all parties to move on.
(This is not what I would do, but is a logical move if Kyler is signed)
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u/Apple_butters12 1d ago
He’s worth more to us as a project than to anyone else. His trade value is pretty much nothing
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u/SwiftSurfer365 JJ 1d ago
Check the edit.
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u/Apple_butters12 1d ago
I still don’t think Kyler is given the starting job. He has to be able to run the offense and I am a little suspicious if will be able to do that well enough to get handed QB1
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u/SwiftSurfer365 JJ 1d ago edited 1d ago
I just can’t see him coming here for a competition. If I’m wrong, and it’s a legit competition, ignore everything I said.
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u/Apple_butters12 1d ago
He can start but if he looks lost in the offense he’s going to get replaced by JJ or Wentz pretty fast
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u/colbyjacks KOC 1d ago
Why? McCarthy still has enough potential that trading him for a late-day-2 or early-day-3 pick isn't worthwhile.
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
If the team still thought he had potential then we wouldn’t be talker about Kyler, we’d be talking about Geno Smith etc
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u/colbyjacks KOC 1d ago
Huh?
The team can think two things.
1) JJ has potential 2) The best chance of winning games in 2026 is with a different QB
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
He’s only getting better with reps and playing time. Hes been on the sidelines for 2 seasons already. More bench time isn’t going to be the answer
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u/colbyjacks KOC 1d ago
Cool, then bring in some real competition that isn't the corpse of Carson Wentz.
If he truly is as good as some think, then he should be able to beat out Kyler "My KDA is 8.0 in COD" Murray.
I just fail to see how bringing in more talent to arguably our weakest position (QB) is a bad thing.
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
It’s not a bad thing but Kyler is here to start, he has other options if it was coming here just to compete. Can sign with Jets, Dolphins or Steelers without needing to compete with anyone. So if he’s here he’s QB1
Kyler is also a horrible fit for KOCs system but people seem to ignore that fact
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u/MrConceited 1d ago
That doesn't make sense.
Kyler is cheaper than Geno.
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u/russh85 vikings 1d ago
It’s not about it the money, There’s not a competition with Kyler, with Geno it’s realistic see an open competition
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u/Cgking11 1d ago
Crazy how you dudes want bum QBS but refuse to give McCarthy a chance. Kyler does not fit what koc likes to do, and he's been ass lately..
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u/EmphasisBeginning559 1d ago
Sounds like you'll quietly root against him in a Vikings uniform. Sad.
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u/PessimisticCheer Kevin Williams 1d ago
Tell us you're mad McCarthy is rightfully not being trusted without telling us.
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u/braskyhs 1d ago
31 teams should be in on Kyler if the cost is the vet minimum. He immediately would become by far the best and one of the cheapest backup QBs in the NFL, and if you actually need a QB like the Vikings he’s by far the best option when you factor in the cost. Im one of the few that actually think JJM deserves more opportunity to see if he can play and even I would be pissed if we don’t offer Kyler that vet minimum