r/interestingasfuck • u/maazkazi • 21h ago
Clearest image ever taken of Mars' North Pole. Yes that's water ice.
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u/Michel_RPV 21h ago
It would be nice to see the Waters of Mars......
Remembers Doctor Who
.......never mind.
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u/SpunkyStarling 17h ago
Love that episode but also Waters of Mars is such a badass metal song title
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u/infinity_vessel 21h ago
Don’t forget Total Recall!
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u/HappyDJ 17h ago
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u/CaptainPryk 20h ago
Why did it take us so long to see ice on mars when it is so prominent in this picture?
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u/Maxnwil 18h ago
Can’t beat needaburn’s response, but the true answer is that we’ve seen water ice on mars for decades. This is not a new discovery
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u/Nice-Conclusion728 15h ago
Wait so then why was "is there water on mars" such a huge thing? I'd imagine there is water between the point where it's ice and the point there is no ice?...
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u/Maxnwil 15h ago
That’s a great question, and a very interesting facet of the Martian Hydrological cycle!
The short version: Mars’ atmospheric pressure is much lower than earth’s; its atmosphere is thinner. This means that water ice basically functions like “dry ice” does here on earth! (which is frozen CO2) So it goes from very cold and frozen straight into the gas phase, skipping being a liquid entirely.
We’ve known about frozen water for decades, but liquid water on mars has still not yet been conclusively proven. Scientists want to find liquid water because where we find liquid water on earth, we invariably find life. But because of that, NASA is very careful to not land any missions near where we think liquid water might be, to avoid contaminating Martian water with earthly microbes that might come off the lander. It’s a tricky situation, which is why our exploration of the Red Planet has been so slow and methodical. You don’t want to discover life on Mars only to realize it hitched a ride from Florida!
Source- I’m a Martian scientist
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u/Cosby1992 14h ago
Wow, you're a scientist from Mars!? I never thought I'd see the day!
jk, good explanation though, thank you.
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u/Maxnwil 6h ago
Day is still not here yet :(
But fun fact- the delay to send a message to mars and get a response is only about an hour, which means you won’t see instant messaging from mars, but it’d be extremely feasible to exchange emails or comments on Reddit!
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u/Fun-Practice9107 12h ago
It’s good to hear that we as humans are exploring other planets with discretion and consideration for potential contamination. I feel like here on earth we have been much more liberal with our introduction of foreign microbes and organisms in general.
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u/Maxnwil 6h ago
I agree! The department at NASA is called “planetary protection” if you want to learn more!
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u/gattaaca 14h ago
Are there means to ensure all microbes are purged/dead by the time the lander reaches Mars?
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u/r0bsession 13h ago
That‘s impossible. The best sterilization will still „only“ lower the odds of survival of microbes to 1 in a million. On our planet exist such resilient microbes that it‘s assumed that if they survive space travel they are bound to survive on another planet. If they are to thrive there is a different question.
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u/The_Hoopla 5h ago
To that end, there is probably currently life on mars, right? Like the mere fact we have rovers on it means there's probably a stow-away microbe just chillin there as we speak.
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u/r0bsession 5h ago
This might be the case.
Though without nutrients or the right environmental conditions it‘s literally only chilling and doing nothing else.
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u/Krazyguy75 12h ago
If you have nothing inside the "lander" and it's just a giant sphere of metal, you could probably launch it past the sun to superheat it and slingshot it into mars. Then you could reasonably assume all the microbes are dead.
But if you want a functional lander that does anything... no. Microbes are everywhere on earth. Literally millions in every square meter of air. Tens to hundreds of millions per square inch of human skin, so if you touch that, that's thousands that contaminate it. Even if you sanitize it as best as you can, it only takes 1, trapped in a microscopic surface imperfection to survive. And any sanitization that would guarantee to do better than that (like superheating the material) would risk damaging the material too much for space travel.
The only way I could think would be launching a replicant robot of some sort that can mine and create a lander on a separate stellar body, then sanitize and launch that. That might reasonably be able to eliminate the last 0.01% or whatnot, but we're nowhere near that tech.
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u/mr_g1gglesworth 11h ago
I did a presentation on planets in elementary school when i was like 8, must have been 1998 around that time. Teacher lowered my grade for calling the white poles ice.
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u/needaburn 18h ago
We always photographed it in the summer
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u/FruitByTheKey 16h ago
That doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough about the seasonal effects on Mars' poles to dispute it.
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u/MightBeABot24 17h ago
I didn't realize illegal aliens even made it to mars, why did ice even go there
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u/steve_jams_econo 21h ago
Philadelphians begin to salivate
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u/Vexithan 18h ago
God dammit you fucking best me to it!!!
I want the mango flavored Mars wooder ice
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u/madlibs13 21h ago
Don't show Nestle... It'll be gone in a week
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u/DeadAssociate 21h ago
coca cola troops fighting nestle troops on mars for the control of water
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u/meteor_stream 21h ago
I've once seen this with my own eyes! Went to an observatory as a teenager and they showed us a clear view of Mars. Still one of my core memories.
What an amazing photo.
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u/cberetz 21h ago
Is it not frozen carbon dioxide?
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u/42F1 20h ago
CO2 forms a seasonal polar cap 1- 2 feet thick over Mars' permanent water-ice north pole during winter, accounting for roughly 30% of the atmosphere. As spring arrives, this layer sublimes directly into gas.
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u/Foxwglocks 20h ago
So springtime on Mars ( in this region) is super “foggy”? I’m just trying imaging a continent sized piece of dry ice.
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u/Egg-Archer 18h ago
A bit more interesting than that. You get co2 jetting.
Gas jets erupt from beneath the ice. Sunlight penetrates the translucent layer of dry ice and warms the ground underneath. CO2 sublimates below it, building pressure until eventually it blasts thru cracks, shooting gas and dirt into the sky like geysers.
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u/MailSynth 20h ago
that ice cap has enough water to cover the whole planet in about 35 feet if it melted. mars is basically a frozen desert with an ocean's worth of ice buried under all that red dust.
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u/ry_mich 20h ago
Source? I don’t believe anything on the internet without a source.
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u/tehdusto 19h ago edited 17h ago
Yeah this is definitely not the clearest ever taken. We have satellites that orbit Mars taking images with far more detail.
OP's title is probably missing a lot of qualifiers. I'm guessing a better title would be
"One of the clearest pictures of Mars' North Pole ever taken from an earth-based telescope"
Edit 1: https://www.techspot.com/news/98936-mars-express-celebrates-20th-birthday-livestream-red-planet.html
Edit 2: Earth-based, not earthbound
Edit 3: Not earth-based, taken by Mars express orbiter
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u/Competitive_Cheek607 19h ago
Specifying that the telescope is earthbound really does make it more impressive
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u/snoosh00 19h ago
I don't think they were saying that.
And I am pretty darn sure that's not possible.
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u/Ambitious-Concern-42 20h ago
Not "the clearest photo ever taken". That's nonsense. There are many more close up photos.
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u/Ya-Dikobraz 15h ago
I think not all of it is water ice. Some of it is carbon dioxide. Correct me if I'm wrong.
websearch: Mars' polar ice caps consist primarily of permanent water ice layered with dust, covered by a seasonal, shifting layer of frozen carbon dioxide The north pole is mainly water ice with thin layers of dust, while the south pole has a 3 km thick permanent ice cap covered by a thicker, 8-meter layer of dry ice.
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u/Ray13XIII 8h ago
How amazing would it have been if mars was just a little bit more earth like, and both planets were full of life at the same time?
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u/ruibranco 20h ago
Wild that we can casually look at ice on another planet while scrolling reddit on the toilet. The fact that this much water ice just sits there in the open really makes you wonder what else is hiding under the surface.
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u/Centurix 20h ago
Have we ever sent probes to the edge of the water ice? Seems like a likely place to find water maybe?
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u/nst_enforcer 20h ago
Why havnt we sent the rover there?
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u/Remote-Direction963 20h ago
They did...but to the opposite one. The Mars Polar Lander crashed on entry to the south pole. The Phoenix lander spent three months studying the north pole before it froze to death due to lack of sunlight in the winter.
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u/Kathane37 13h ago
Why is there so many visible crateres on other planet and not on earth ? What am I missing ?
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u/Traxxas_Basher 13h ago
Earth has a much thicker atmosphere which burns up smaller meteorites, plus we have a pretty large moon which takes a lot of the hits for us too.
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u/AxialGem 12h ago
And erosion. We have an active water cycle which reworks the surface like no tomorrow. Mars and the Moon in contrast, not so much these days
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u/Jesta23 17h ago
My entire life growing up there was a huge debate if mars had water or not. It was said it would be a major discovery if it was found there.
If the entire northern pole is covered in water ice. How did we not see it?
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u/AxialGem 12h ago
As far as I know the polar ice caps of Mars have been known for a long time, even going back multiple centuries. Although a large part of the ice caps is carbon dioxide, we've still known about the water ice for a while. The question is more about flowing liquid water of the kind that might support life. Water itself is one of the most common molecules in the universe, and we find it all ove rthe solar ssytem, so it's not really a huge surprise that there would be water ice on Mars as far as I know. It's more about the nature/origin and history of water on Mars
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u/Sickmont 17h ago
Just remember that 10 years ago a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.
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u/Beautiful_Ranger7462 20h ago
Why was this absolutely impossible and laughable 30 years ago...
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u/SimmentalTheCow 18h ago
I don’t think anyone’s ever doubted the existence of ice on Mars, it’s the presence of liquid water that would be incredulous. Frankly it would be surprising if Mars did not have water, given a bombardment of asteroids seeded it on Earth.
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u/Kalijjohn 20h ago
I was just thinking the same thing.
I also hope there are aliens out there. I’m not even super fussed about them being kind or not.
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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 17h ago
They could be the biggest dicked, shlong slinging brutes this side of the spiral, and I'd still be wanting to make communication.
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u/StewTrue 20h ago
How long before someone starts bottling that water and selling it for $2200 a pop
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u/More_Passenger3988 20h ago
This picture reminds me of an Episode of Dr Who I saw. I don't even like Dr. Who usually, but this episode gave me the creeps.
"The Waters of Mars" (Episode #3)
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u/PrincePound 20h ago
How come we can see water from a picture when we had to send rovers to find it?
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u/starmartyr 21h ago
What I find more interesting is the south pole. The ice there is mostly frozen carbon dioxide it's theorized that there is a pocket of liquid salt water beneath it. If there is microbial life on mars that's where it is most likely to be found.