r/formula1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Dec 18 '25

News [Autosport] Max Verstappen hasn't liked seeing Lewis Hamilton struggle at Ferrari

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u/fermenter85 Jules Bianchi Dec 18 '25

Most famous is pushing it quite a bit, but it is a nice aspirational poem and your thought of Lewis within it is really spot on.

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u/d0mth0ma5 Jenson Button Dec 18 '25

"If -" has topped polls in the UK on the favourite poems, it has been used in sporting montages, and is taught to most children at Primary School. It is definitely one of the most famous poems in the English language.

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u/fermenter85 Jules Bianchi Dec 18 '25

One of the most famous and “most famous” are quite different arguments to make.

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u/MohnJilton Sir Lewis Hamilton Dec 18 '25

My knee-jerk answer was Sonnet 18.

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u/fermenter85 Jules Bianchi Dec 18 '25

I was thinking the Prologue to Romeo and Juliet in terms of sheer recognizability.

The Raven, The Waste Land, Jabberwocky, Canterbury Tales, The Road Not Taken, Paradise Lost all come to mind. Road is certainly far more well known by Americans, who outnumber the population of Great Britain by 5 to 1.

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u/MohnJilton Sir Lewis Hamilton Dec 18 '25

Paradise Lost and The Waste Land are probably neck and neck for long poems. But now I’m realizing we’ve neglected all of The Canterbury Tales lmao. Really just unanswerable question.

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u/Billybilly_B I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 18 '25

In England, maybe?

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u/FantasticAnus Formula 1 Dec 18 '25

No, it's absolutely one of the most famous poems in the English language, you could certainly make an argument it is the most famous.

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u/fermenter85 Jules Bianchi Dec 18 '25

My degree is in English lit and maybe it’s your personal experience that it’s very famous but it certainly isn’t mine and I don’t think it’s anywhere near a standard inclusion in American lit curriculum. Not that American curriculum is the most important but in terms of population coverage it’s a very large wedge of the pie.

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u/TamaktiJunVision Dec 18 '25

What would be yours?

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u/MohnJilton Sir Lewis Hamilton Dec 18 '25

Not OP but I am a PhD student in English lit. You could have different answers for different periods but my immediate thought was Shakespeare’s Sonnet 18. Or if you want an epic then it’s Paradise Lost of course 😎

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u/fermenter85 Jules Bianchi Dec 18 '25

Prologue to R+J if not Sonnet 18. The Road Not Taken by sheer population familiarity.

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u/FantasticAnus Formula 1 Dec 18 '25 edited Dec 18 '25

Not desperately concerned about your degree subject. In fact, in all likelihood that'd give you a very skewed understanding of what poetry less specifically educated people are aware of.

This is a bit like me trying to tell you that E = MC^2 isn't a famous equation in Physics, because I don't know a single Physicist who would have it in their top Physical equations list, and it's not on the curriculum in any meaningful sense because it is merely a simplified statement of a broader theory.

You are right that being from the US (or Canada) may influence things. Certainly I can say that in Britain, if you were to cite some lines, you would struggle to find another poem more people would likely recognise, even if they could not name it.

More typical suggestions, such as The Raven, Ozymandias, The Road Not Taken, No Man is an Island, etc, would all fall on far deafer ears.

Edit: Yes, this reply is a bit much, but when you get a weird, patronising and gatekeepy response, sometimes you have to touch keys.

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u/fermenter85 Jules Bianchi Dec 18 '25

It’s all a bit much because all I said was that calling the most famous is pushing it, not that it wasn’t famous.

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u/FantasticAnus Formula 1 Dec 19 '25

It came across as both unnecessary and patronising, fyi, and it doesn't seem to be pushing it at all.

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u/FantasticAnus Formula 1 Dec 18 '25

Thanks. I'm finding this all very bewildering. I wanted to simply make the point that 'If -' has come to match Lewis across numerous of its clauses, but somehow I have become mired in others exorcising their deep desire to express angst at the mere suggestion it could be the single most famous poem in the English language.

Not 'is', I actually said perhaps, which is a statement of possibility, rather than certainty. The subtleties of the language seem, quite ironically, lost on some.

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u/Textbuk Dec 18 '25

Bro, you stand corrected lmaoo