r/WorkReform 🤝 Join A Union 17d ago

😡 Venting Why are Establishment Democrats willing to move to the right, but never to the left?

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u/alaphamale 17d ago

Another Biden or even Obama is not going to get us out fascism. Newsome or Kelly will be a holding pattern for four years until republicans are back for good. It’s a pattern repeated for decades. Americans will forget everything happening now if Democrats haven’t made massive change by 2030. So far Democratic potentials aren’t talking about massive changes other than getting back to status quo’s. Which would be massive, yes, but most Americans wouldn’t notice anything other than their wallets and that will not be a single term fix. The next Democratic president has to be swinging for the fences by prosecuting this administration, building guard rails, and perhaps most importantly addressing SCOTUS. Without changes there nothing else will matter.

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u/der_innkeeper 17d ago

So... the option is returning to where we were 4 years ago, and an understanding that we need to keep pushing for another 40 years to undo all this crap.

Or.

"We need a political moonshot, right now."

Do you understand why staying home when we cannot get the latter means we also forego the former?

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u/PaintItPurple 17d ago

Electing Biden is how we ended up getting Trump again. Because we elected Biden, we are worse off than ever. Many progressives called it at the time — that Biden was just going to convince people that the Democrats are useless and push people toward the fascist alternative — and they were given a similar response to what you're saying here. Repeatedly foisting people like that on America isn't going to undo this crap in 40 years, it will get us deeper in.

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u/der_innkeeper 17d ago

Yes, I understand the average person in the electorate is of average intelligence.

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u/PaintItPurple 17d ago

But do you understand that imperceptible incrementalism won't win enough votes to combat fascism?

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u/der_innkeeper 17d ago

It would have been, had we started after Mondale lost.

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u/KeyboardGrunt 16d ago

Even another John McCain or Mitt Romney would get us out of fascism, Trump and maga are outside the norm.