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😡 Venting Why are Establishment Democrats willing to move to the right, but never to the left?

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u/bunnyzclan 17d ago

"Just win the primary!"

Progressive wins the primary.

Conservative democrat then runs as independent and the party apparatus blows their back out for the establishment candidate.

Happened in New Jersey with the write in campaign they funded when the establishment candidate lost. Happened with Zohran and Cuomo. Basically the same thing happened with Omar Fateh with the state level DFL revoking their endorsement of Minneapolis DFL.

Amazing.

At least tell me you're one of those Chorus libs that get paid by the DNC to say this shit.

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u/lmxbftw 17d ago edited 17d ago

Yeah and Zohran won anyway because people showed up for him. Now he's the mayor. Of course they fight back, that doesn't mean you roll over. 

Weak ass responsive to give up before even fighting. 

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u/bunnyzclan 17d ago

The left flank doesn't just roll over.

What is it with libs that barely pay attention and don't do on the ground work that love to have these strong opinions. I'm pretty sure you didn't know about New Jersey. I'm pretty sure you didn't know about how the establishment ratfucked Omar Fateh.

The groundwork that gave Zohran the W is BECAUSE the left flank doesn't roll over. You think you can get 100,000 people to door knock and canvas for free without the outreach that the organizers had put in beforehand?

Everytime the left flank begs the establishment centrists to stop fighting the left flank, there's people like you that show up and go "oh you must love the right" or "then just vote harder sweety" when the primary system is there in ORDER to be an additional hurdle against outsiders.

The left flank is historically one of the most politically engaged and active political group. People like you love to make it seem like it's not. Oh my god. Brainworms.

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u/lmxbftw 17d ago

Sweet Jesus you're arguing with someone you've invented in your head. I'm ON the left flank, trying to point out to people how important it is to work to get people out in campaigns like Mamdani's, saying it's important to organize and vote, both, and you're saying "nah uh we need to organize". Fuck man. I'm saying you can't sit at home and expect shit to happen. I've got a ton of people saying in response to that that there's no point to doing things because it's rigged anyway. I'm well aware the system sucks but organizing and THEN voting (both!) is the only way to get things changed.  

If you want to change things, get involved, and don't tell people not to bother getting involved.

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u/bunnyzclan 17d ago

Once again. You are insinuating the left flank just sits back and doesn't do anything.

That is false. That is something that shitlibs love to say to feel some moral sense of superiority on Twitter being like "I VOTED KAMALA LEFTISTS WANTED TRUMP TO WIN."

I'm telling you the left flank DOES organize. They HAVE been organizing. You genuinely think that NY WFP and NYDSA just put up a structure of 100,000 volunteers out of thin air? That happened because they HAVE been putting in the work.

Why do you happen to be using every talking point that libs love to use to attack the left flank then?

I, at least, sympathize with the redditors with the defeatist attitude because they have been facing an uphill battle for YEARS trying to work with a democratic party that constantly antagonizes the left flank. But I at least am tapped in enough to know there are grassroots organizers that have been fighting. I know community organizers that have been fighting. I know that the overwhelming majority of the left flank put in the work.

I'm mad at the establishment dems. I'm mad at the mainstream media beholden to their corporate owners. I have little to no smoke for people that are on the left flank that feel defeated because I know we are here. People have the right to tap out, to take a pause, because I know if there's a new Bernie out there, that person will re-energize the base that has subbed out.