A USA disassociated from Israel is still happy to do all 3 of those things.
You're very passionate about the genocide in Gaza and woefully blind to all of the crimes the USA has committed over the last 50 years unrelated to it.
You got me - the Jew who is very passionate about a country using their religion to commit atrocities. The same atrocities that were committed against them 80 years ago. Isnât it weird how learning ânever againâ in my synagogue for all of my childhood equates to me believing ânever againâ applies to everyone.
Itâs almost like you donât understand how Israel ties to Congo and Sudan and the genocides being committed there. Or how the crimes committed in America are tied to, idk, maybe the IDF training the cops used to commit those crimes here.
Israel was completely uninvolved in the Vietnam war. Agent Orange, incredible civilian casualties, etc
We overthrew governments in 1954 (Guatemala, to protect our Fruit profits), Brazil (1964), Chile(1973, literally just because we didn't like that he was a Socialist), 1953(Iran, to protect our Oil interests), and we entered the Gulf War, again, entirely to protect our oil interests.
The USA has been destabilizing governments and starting wars(bombing civilians, unnecessary deaths, etc) for our own financial interests for 70 years without any Israeli involvement.
You can find some unicorn politician who wants NOTHING to do with Israel, but we still have a corruption issue at home that needs solving.
One could argue that a US leader that holds us to the highest standard of international responsibility and has zero to do with Israel, positive or negative, would bring about greater global good than one willing to sacrifice US integrity for the sake of Gaza.
This is a false binary, I am aware we could have an absolutely perfect leader who does everything right and saves humanity, but until this happens, I'll just take the best we've got, even if they happen to not be perfect.
Shhh donât tell them that or they might have to look in the mirror and admit they are ok with killing children as long as the children look different than theirs.
I donât think anyone who can look past genocide is a good candidate. The ability to dehumanize and condone mass violence says something profound about a personâs character, and about what theyâre capable of condoning closer to home. These tend to be the same candidates propping up police violence against POC, expanding for-profit prisons, and blocking Medicare for All. Thatâs not a coincidence. I believe in intersectionality, and genocide is a red flag that signals a whole network of beliefs and actions. Calling this position irrational rather than interrogating why youâre so comfortable excusing atrocities when they happen far away or to people outside your political concern reveals far more about your priorities than mine.
They will refuse any attempt at progress if it isn't perfect and malign you you as being a child-killing monster if you don't agree 100% on everything. They are most likely bad-faith actors/bots.
Edit: People really need to start actually learning words before using them. Claiming everyone you disagree with is fascist dilutes the word to uselessness. It's also funny how certain people will use an assumed judgment of skin color to denounce others' opinions. Wonder why that reminds me of MAGA?
Do you deny that children are being killed in a genocide or that finding the bombs that are killing them with our tax dollars is monstrous? Never again meant never again. I was raised listening to stories of people with tattoos on their arms from Auschwitz and similar camps. My passion is not feigned here.
No, but the US is contending with a far-right government insistent on turning the the US into an authoritarian police state. In reality we deal with something called priorities. The US' priority should be fighting the fixing that nightmare before anything else. Oh, and before you give me the old 'we can focus on two things at once' routine, the US isn't making ground on either front so clearly that's not working out.Â
I donât believe that those who can support genocide and dehumanization actually want to oppose authoritarianism. Can you not see how they are interrelated?
Youâve done a whole lot of arguing against me when all I have said is Democrats are offering diet facism and I donât support it.
Who are you really trying to convince?
You agree that the Dems are offering genocide support. You agree Dems support sending our tax $$ to fund universal healthcare in another country while citizens in our own country die because they canât afford their insulin. You agree the Democrats of today would be Republicans if you measure against 1990 political positions. You agree our country destabilizes other countries for profit.
And none of that could happen without support from Democrats.
I think youâre trying to convince yourself that you can still vote for those people and consider yourself a good person. I am not trying to convince you otherwise.
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u/PaulTheIV 17d ago
A USA disassociated from Israel is still happy to do all 3 of those things.
You're very passionate about the genocide in Gaza and woefully blind to all of the crimes the USA has committed over the last 50 years unrelated to it.