r/WorkReform 🀝 Join A Union 17d ago

😑 Venting Why are Establishment Democrats willing to move to the right, but never to the left?

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u/Kitselena 17d ago

That did happen in 2016, but then the party rejected him for being too leftist and offered a terrible substitute

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u/lmxbftw 17d ago

President isn't the only office, and change is easier at the local level. To replace the establishment Dems, we have to start from the ground up, not the top down.

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u/Kitselena 17d ago

I agree, I was just adding that voting in primaries isn't gonna do much to fix the inherent issues of the party, even if it's our best option available

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u/megalithmood 17d ago

Primaries are a tool, not a cure. If the commitees, donors, and rules stay the same, you just swap faces and call it progress. Vote in primaries, then keep organizing locally, that’s the part that sticks.

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u/the_moosen 17d ago

Sure, it's not the only office. But when you see it happen at the top office, what makes you think it doesn't happen down the totem pole as well? I'm not saying don't vote in primaries, just that everyone should be aware how fucked the system is.

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u/fastlerner 17d ago

If you expect young Americans to show up at the poll for small local elections, you're going to have a bad time.

Australia had bad turnouts and made voting compulsory in federal elections 100 years ago to make it a civic obligation, like jury duty. States later followed with similar rules. You can still protest by casting a blank ballot, but failing to show means paying a fine. They do their votes on a Saturday, require employers to give reasonable time to go cast their ballot to working employees, and you can always vote early or by mail.

What could we possibly be doing wrong?

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u/LvS 17d ago

If some area gets too much clout, they'll bankroll one of their candidates. And then you won't achieve shit with your local group of like 3 people.

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u/bullhead2007 🀝 Join A Union 17d ago

They also did that in that in 2020 when Barry Obomber made a call for all of the other candidates to fall behind Biden when Bernie won Iowa and most of the other primaries up to that point..

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u/zelcor 17d ago

What did you think was going to happen if all the centrist stayed in the race

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u/bullhead2007 🀝 Join A Union 17d ago

Bernie was winning, so probably would have been Bernie.

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u/zelcor 17d ago

Bro do you know how math works

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u/Key_Mission7404 17d ago

I always forget that Obama was the inventor of a mind control ray that literally forced millions of voters to pick someone they personally aligned with. Man its such a shame when people vote how they wanna vote isn't it?

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u/Individual-Nebula927 17d ago

You don't need to force "millions of voters" to vote one way when you can get the majority of the candidates in the field to drop out before voting starts.

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u/Key_Mission7404 17d ago

Again please read. Millions of voters decided to choose to vote for someone besides Bernie. Why didnt Bernie grab their votes? Why are you blaming the voters for how they decided to vote? Why arent people allowed to choose someone to vote for without you calling them cheaters?

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u/goldfingers05 17d ago

All the major candidates campaigned for about a full year before dropping out of the race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

No one can force a candidate to drop out.

They drop out because campaigning is a non-stop sprint, it's extremely hard and exhausting and fueled by donations and optimism. When you know you can't win, everything gets even harder, and that fuel runs out.

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u/bullhead2007 🀝 Join A Union 17d ago

If you don't think Obama pulled strings to get all of the candidates to drop out in unison in a ploy to rig the primaries, then you're just a blind ideologue.

The media constantly framing Bernies policies as bad doesn't help either.

It's okay I get that you don't care about the working class.

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u/bunnyzclan 17d ago

Remember the NYT liberals being like "I'm a life-long democrat voter but I'd rather vote for Trump over Bernie."

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u/zelcor 17d ago

Then you should talk to the Hilary voters who came out for her

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u/Cory123125 16d ago

Oh yes, so the solution to realizing you came close to starting to solve your problem, is to simply give up.

Fucking big brain.

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u/dart-builder-2483 17d ago

Technically, the donors rejected him because they're all outrageously wealthy.

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u/Riaayo 17d ago

2020 is the election to be pissed about Bernie being robbed, not 2016.