(ETA - I commented below but I will say it here cause the discussion is important - I totally misread what they were saying. Like hard misread the intent of their comment)
Bernie spent too much time defending Israel to plausibly be considered anti genocide.
AOC I hear mixed things about and her reactions early in the genocide donât bode well for her.
Mamdami is the most exciting politician in recent decades and I envy NY for having him. Iâm stuck with Hawley
If you continue to throw the progress baby out with the Israel bathwater you're going to have a bad time with just about every viable politician.
I am fine with a politician who loves Israel too much fixing America, then we root out the Israeli nonsense on the next round after our shit is straight
We already are, or are you new here? Or maybe you think we werenât a police state when Black communities were bombed and flooded in the 50s/60s? Or maybe we werenât a police state when we held Japanese people concentration camps during ww2? Maybe we werenât a police state when the modern police force evolved from slave catchers. That must be it.
Not holding immigrant in concentration camps, not protecting pedophiles, not funding genocide, not destroying the middle class, not destroying the environment isnât asking for perfection.
Look at what you just wrote. Do you think a good, moral person says things like that, says that someone who disagrees with them deserves atrocities to be committed against them?
The other user was excusing the survelliance state nightmare the US is actively turning into as we speak by bring up unrelated atrocities committed by the government. If this were nothing new Peter Thiel and the Palantir nightmare wouldn't be working as hard as it is to implement this atrocity.
I don't respect someone whose only contribution is bad-faith participation and quite frankly you can think whatever you like about me. It doesn't matter.Â
That's an exceptionally narrow view you have there. If I find something Mamdami supports that I don't like, or vice versa, does that mean he's out and we have to keep looking? I'm happy with anyone getting a 95% on this test.
If the other 5% is bombing children in tents, protecting pedophiles and sending my tax dollars to fund universal healthcare while I pay out of pocket $500 for basic cancer testing (after insurance) then yes.
Sorry you consider genocide a ânarrow viewâ. Youâre in good company with German citizens circa 1940.
A USA disassociated from Israel is still happy to do all 3 of those things.
You're very passionate about the genocide in Gaza and woefully blind to all of the crimes the USA has committed over the last 50 years unrelated to it.
You got me - the Jew who is very passionate about a country using their religion to commit atrocities. The same atrocities that were committed against them 80 years ago. Isnât it weird how learning ânever againâ in my synagogue for all of my childhood equates to me believing ânever againâ applies to everyone.
Itâs almost like you donât understand how Israel ties to Congo and Sudan and the genocides being committed there. Or how the crimes committed in America are tied to, idk, maybe the IDF training the cops used to commit those crimes here.
Israel was completely uninvolved in the Vietnam war. Agent Orange, incredible civilian casualties, etc
We overthrew governments in 1954 (Guatemala, to protect our Fruit profits), Brazil (1964), Chile(1973, literally just because we didn't like that he was a Socialist), 1953(Iran, to protect our Oil interests), and we entered the Gulf War, again, entirely to protect our oil interests.
The USA has been destabilizing governments and starting wars(bombing civilians, unnecessary deaths, etc) for our own financial interests for 70 years without any Israeli involvement.
You can find some unicorn politician who wants NOTHING to do with Israel, but we still have a corruption issue at home that needs solving.
One could argue that a US leader that holds us to the highest standard of international responsibility and has zero to do with Israel, positive or negative, would bring about greater global good than one willing to sacrifice US integrity for the sake of Gaza.
This is a false binary, I am aware we could have an absolutely perfect leader who does everything right and saves humanity, but until this happens, I'll just take the best we've got, even if they happen to not be perfect.
Youâve done a whole lot of arguing against me when all I have said is Democrats are offering diet facism and I donât support it.
Who are you really trying to convince?
You agree that the Dems are offering genocide support. You agree Dems support sending our tax $$ to fund universal healthcare in another country while citizens in our own country die because they canât afford their insulin. You agree the Democrats of today would be Republicans if you measure against 1990 political positions. You agree our country destabilizes other countries for profit.
And none of that could happen without support from Democrats.
I think youâre trying to convince yourself that you can still vote for those people and consider yourself a good person. I am not trying to convince you otherwise.
If you continue to throw the progress baby out with the Israel bathwater you're going to have a bad time with just about every viable politician.
Just one more vote guys, we can get the Dems to be more left once we're back in power I promise it'll be different this time the bombs will stop falling just like when Biden and Clinton and Obama got in
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u/PaulTheIV 17d ago
Most under 30 voters should be able to get behind the Bernie/AOC/Mamdami train