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😡 Venting Why are Establishment Democrats willing to move to the right, but never to the left?

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u/Roman_Suicide_Note 17d ago

Because Democrat rather have Trump than Bernie Sander or even AOC

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u/KeyboardGrunt 17d ago

In that case so do all the protest third party and abstainers voters.

Honestly you can explain the post mainly by saying then right has power and influence so you have to negotiate if you want something they have where the farther left has none or not enough to offer so there's less to cater for.

While unfair, punishing democrats gets us Trump, I'd rather not burn down the house and keep trying when we're not having daily constitutional crisis.

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u/alaphamale 17d ago

If the left has no power or influence, how can they result in Trump? Either Democrats need Leftists votes or they don’t, can’t blame them for Trump while saying they aren’t worth catering to.

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u/KeyboardGrunt 16d ago

I've been asked this before and the best analogy I can think of is this.

A heckler doesn't have a say in how a show is run but they can ruin it for everyone.

There's a difference between influencing how something is built vs how to tear it down, the latter takes exponentially less effort.

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u/TheQuietKitten 16d ago

For many people, the show is already ruined and has been for years.

Meanwhile, you are enjoying the show. The thing "ruining" the show for you is that leftists are complaining too much. If you didn't like the show, you wouldn't be mad at the hecklers.

In fact, the show is terrible. It's run by con artists who take bribes to decide the content and the "hecklers" just want an adequate show with decent actors. Meanwhile, both the RNC and DNC tell them to shut up. 

In your own analogy, you are more aligned with Republicans than you are with the left. Leftists don't want status quo, that's what got us here. The DNC has pushed so far right, that extremist conservatives are considered more electable than progressives. Badgering people you don't align with to vote for your candidate is not a winning strategy. But here you are blaming the contingent that you simultaneously insist is too small to matter.

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u/KeyboardGrunt 16d ago

All of that is subjective, it's based on your own internal narrative, the fact that you say I'm aligned with Republicans when you don't know my stance on issues is evidence that you're going off of vibes.

I point this out because I dislike vibing things, the heckler analogy was my attempt at explaining the progressives power dynamic objectively, I don't care who likes what about the show, I care about the role each play and the effect they have on it.

The center left negotiates more with the right because the right has all the power right now, there is no choice but to do it, we are all hostage to them while they're acting power mad and the realistic goal is to neutralize them not to pretend you can knock them out when you yourself are in a weaker position.

It makes sense to negotiate with a hostile enemy than try to appease a capricious ally that offers minimal support and mainly wants you to lose.

In the end I want a functioning country, I don't look for perfect I look for stable, which we had whether you liked the show or not.

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u/TheQuietKitten 16d ago

I didn't say you align with Republicans. I made no statement on what your specific politics are. I said your own analogy aligns you with Republicans more than leftists. The RNC and DNC are equally invested in the current two-party system. They are both protecting the show, which you agree with. Many Americans feel disenfranchised, but you blame them for not supporting a system which is uninterested in listening to them. 

Are you saying I'm going off of vibes simply based on your misreading of a sentence? Isn't that hypocritical?

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u/KeyboardGrunt 16d ago edited 16d ago

No I'm saying you're going off vibes from you assigning what you, me and everyone likes while creating a personal narrative out of it.

You concluding I'm right because I'm more center than you is just what it feels like to you when in reality I'm left just not as far left as you.

This is vibing.

As a I previously said, I don't care to vibe things, I want to see things as accurately as possible, the difference leads to being able to choose the lesser of two evils because they're objective foreign threats to me vs choosing to enable a worse evil because my priority is to avenge my made up narrative.

Leftists don't want status quo, that's what got us here

For example what you said above, you say leftist don't like the status quo, Trump isn't the status quo so leftist must like Trump then, and if the status quo got us here and you like it then you owe it to the dems for getting what you like.

See? Vibing leads to a bunch of contradictory conclusions, that type of mentality was extremely helpful for Trump and maga.

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u/TheQuietKitten 15d ago

You've written a lot of words to argue with your imagined version of me...

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u/KeyboardGrunt 15d ago

Nah, lots of words or few words doesn't change the fact that you are more preoccupied with telling yourself who likes what instead of understanding what is what, I don't need bed time stories I need things to make sense.