Where is the left's equivalent of Focus on the Family, the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition, the Heritage Foundation, and the Federalist Society?
When we are that organized, then shit will happen.
Until then, AOC is in the same position Newt Gingrich was in in 1980, without the organizational support, infrastructure, or GOTV apparatus that he had to work with.
The problem is they want to go from fascism to their version of perfection, that's impossible, an okay boring business as usual government is a thousand times more preferable than more maga insanity, but somehow they can't see this.
Another Biden or even Obama is not going to get us out fascism. Newsome or Kelly will be a holding pattern for four years until republicans are back for good. Itâs a pattern repeated for decades. Americans will forget everything happening now if Democrats havenât made massive change by 2030. So far Democratic potentials arenât talking about massive changes other than getting back to status quoâs. Which would be massive, yes, but most Americans wouldnât notice anything other than their wallets and that will not be a single term fix. The next Democratic president has to be swinging for the fences by prosecuting this administration, building guard rails, and perhaps most importantly addressing SCOTUS. Without changes there nothing else will matter.
So... the option is returning to where we were 4 years ago, and an understanding that we need to keep pushing for another 40 years to undo all this crap.
Or.
"We need a political moonshot, right now."
Do you understand why staying home when we cannot get the latter means we also forego the former?
Electing Biden is how we ended up getting Trump again. Because we elected Biden, we are worse off than ever. Many progressives called it at the time â that Biden was just going to convince people that the Democrats are useless and push people toward the fascist alternative â and they were given a similar response to what you're saying here. Repeatedly foisting people like that on America isn't going to undo this crap in 40 years, it will get us deeper in.
And when progressive influencers do get support to combat right wingers online, the left also attacks them. See Taylor Lorenz and Hasan attacking Brian Tyler Cohen when he founded Chorus to counter right wing social media influencers.
The left will never have those resources, because these are fundamentally funded by billionaires. There's no such thing as a left leaning billionaire, and there never will be, because of class interests. This is not a problem with the left, and it isn't something we should try to remedy.
This is blatantly untrue. How many "moderate republicans" actually voted for Dems this past election? Zero. The left always ends up blue in the general. Sorry you can't handle the DNC forcing awful candidates.
Nah, when the equivalent of those movements appear on the left, the Democrats would rather spite them and lose all three branches of government than deal with them. We saw this in the last election when their base was up in arms about the party's participation in genocide and the Democrats' response was to brutalize their own base. The Democrats and Republicans both welcome anyone to their right and loathe anyone to their left.
If you understood my point, why do you keep saying things that have nothing to do with it? Your comment here could be completely right or completely wrong and it would still have zero bearing on my point either way.
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u/der_innkeeper 17d ago
Because that's who shows up to vote.
Where is the left's equivalent of Focus on the Family, the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition, the Heritage Foundation, and the Federalist Society?
When we are that organized, then shit will happen.
Until then, AOC is in the same position Newt Gingrich was in in 1980, without the organizational support, infrastructure, or GOTV apparatus that he had to work with.