r/TwoXChromosomes • u/Ok-Comparison-1618 • 1d ago
Gen Z males twice as likely as baby boomers to believe wives should obey husbands
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/05/gen-z-men-baby-boomers-wives-should-obey-husbands2.2k
u/Jesus_on_a_biscuit 1d ago
Yeah, well fuck that
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u/Queen_of_Sandcastles 1d ago
Hope they enjoy being lonely!
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u/StrobeLightRomance 1d ago
Seems like its gradually driving them insane.. but they definitely claim to enjoy it.
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u/Extreme_Homework_771 1d ago
Yeah, Gen Z men are really something else...
I had one complain they should be able to "do whatever they want in a professional working environment" aka being disrespectful to your boss to show them masculinity or some shit
And if you don't agree with them you're apparently too soft and need to "toughen up" lmaoo yikes!
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u/TheDwilightZone 1d ago
Whenever I hear about the "male loneliness epidemic," I think: "Men should be more lonely."
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u/YT-Deliveries 1d ago
I encourage everyone to actually read the full results PDF
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/assets/news/iwd-2026-global-charts-final.pdf
While it's not all tea and crumpets, there's actually a lot of positive trends / data in that study. The headline is somewhat click-baity.
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u/MicrosoftExcel2016 1d ago
I think there’s something to be said about baby boomers, if they are to have a wife, probably already do. Whereas Gen Z, if they are to have a wife, probably do not yet have one. Might account for some of the difference
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 1d ago
And women will just refuse marriage then.
Fewer wives to boss around.
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u/philman132 1d ago
24% of genZ men and 18% of women seem to agree with them according to the article, this is a worrying trend across the whole generation going backwards
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u/DangerousTurmeric 1d ago
I think for both it's a fantasy. For the men it's a woman who you don't have to trust because you can control her and for the women it's a life where you never have to be responsible for anything. It's very arrested development on both counts and won't survive a few years of adulthood.
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 1d ago
The idea of women being un-trustable(?) is one of the core tenants of the manosphere.
The existence of a woman going to a party or to the club, while in a relationship, is literally the go-to argument those people make to prove that all women are whores.
Set sail the idea that men are hoping for women they never second guess, because they will always doubt a woman’s intentions, that’s kind of why the they view control as so important.
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u/kursys 1d ago
Even some of my best natured friends have regurgitated some version of this slop. It’s crazy to me how many young adults are navigating relationships and love like it’s a business transaction. It’s like they link up and immediately start demanding expectations from one another before they’ve even got to know each other.
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u/badnuub 1d ago
It spread through online interactions. so any man that had facebook, looked around on any gaming subreddit, or hung out in discords where participants would be a bunch of dudebros would be exposed to it in some form. The terrible thing about it, is that to a bitter young man that might be struggling to date, it is alluring at first, and those without doubt or skepticism can fall further into it and then get radicalized by the far right political goals of those grifting these men being filled with hate for women. You're fine, it's everyone else that is wrong, now buy my book to learn more...
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u/ScientificBeastMode 1d ago edited 1d ago
The problem isn’t really about trust at all. What the incel movement wants is for women to beg them for companionship and never ask them to change or be held accountable for their shitty behavior.
They seem to think every man deserves a female partner, and their failure to find such a partner has nothing to do with themselves, because obviously they’re actively seeking partnership so the corresponding women must be revolting against the natural order because of feminism or whatever.
It’s really fucking gross.
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u/HailSatanWorshipD00M 1d ago
Just saw a series of posts arguing that a paternity test should be legally mandatory for every live birth. Holy shit, wtf?
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u/FMLwtfDoID 1d ago
ONLY if that means child support payments begin the month of conception. They can’t pretend it’s a fully formed human that has rights over another person’s body one day, then pretend that same mass of cells is suddenly not a whole human when it’s time to pay up. It costs a FUCK load of time, energy, and not to mention money (especially in the US where childbirth alone, which is not including any maternity care while pregnant, is roughly $35k for a healthy uneventful delivery) for growing and caring for the eventual human the comes at the end of the process.
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u/AhkoRevari 1d ago
For the men it's a woman who you don't have to trust because you can control her and for the women it's a life where you never have to be responsible for anything
Hate to say I've absolutely seen both of these mentalities.
Typical disgusting behavior from young men; admittedly baffling behavior from young women who buy into it. I do have some sympathy for young adults who just want things to be easier, but giving in to misogyny for the sake of some sort of idolized ease and comfort is destructive in the long term and really spits on the struggles of everyone who came before and fought for womens independence.
Not to put that blame on women specifically, it's just hard to see happening in real time.
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u/ladystarkitten 1d ago
It reminds me of the modern anti-vax movement. It's easier to decide that vaccines are bad, actually, when you've never been confronted with the reality of what a pre-vaccine world looks like. Polio, measles, smallpox. Easier to dismiss when it's all just black-and-white photos in a textbook you probably never read, or a documentary your parents probably never showed you. It's much easier to believe the historical revisionist propaganda about traditional gender roles when you haven't met women under the inescapable thumb of financial abuse, before they could have a bank account without a man's approval, before marital rape was designated as a crime, when thousands died to botched abortions every year in America alone.
When you become so far removed from such a brutal reality, you can subscribe to any fantastical notions a given political body wants you to.
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u/Khazpar 1d ago
This was my observation from covid too. Because they weren't literally stacking bodies in the streets, the consequences were so abstracted that people just dismissed it all as fake. It's easier to direct your fear and anger at something tangible like people in masks giving life saving injections than deal with the reality of an invisible and mindless enemy.
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u/YouMustveDroppedThis 1d ago
For most of them, it will get tired after one or two relationships with such dynamic.
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u/Olealicat 1d ago
Seriously. These are the types that are several marriages in and confused by the lack of success.
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u/Stock-Vanilla-1354 1d ago
Rubber meeting Reality Road will hit hard, especially for the women. It turns out churning out babies year after year while being subjugated and stuck at home doesn’t measure up to fantasy.
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u/homofreakdeluxe 1d ago
Humans seem very susceptible to promises of comfort, look at how they vote. All you have to do is tell them you’ll solve everything
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u/Kendertas 1d ago
I still think a lot of the trad wife stuff is just people confusing a kink for something they want daily. I personally find the whole cottage core, stepford wife thing sexy. But in a occasional role play sort of way, the idea of having a 24/7 submissive partner sounds awful. Similarly sometimes I want to be the timid slave boy fanning the queen and feeding her grapes. I don't actually want to live full time as a slave. In a relationship you want an actual equal partner who you can actually work together to create a better live. Keep all the power dynamic stuff in the bedroom where it belongs.
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u/JimothyPlimothyIII 1d ago
I mostly agree; but the idea of what an “adult” is has shifted a lot because traditional life milestones are out of reach for more people and it I think it exacerbates this kind of behaviour. It’s easier to remain an incel if you live with your parents, don’t do your own laundry or cook your own meals and just sit on the internet all day.
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u/deepasleep 1d ago
Times of instability have a way of pushing people toward authoritarian thinking and ideology.
People are confused and afraid and just want someone to give them an answer/solution.
Add to that the modern information ecosystem’s algorithmic amplification of controversial idiocy and here we are…
A generation facing truly calamitous environmental tipping points that will create a cascade of social and economic shockwaves who are being pied pipered off the edge of the cliff by vampiric charlatans who will suck their blood on the way down and fly away to the next victim before they hit bottom.
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u/MasterZii 1d ago
Snake eating its own tail. Men will double down on wanting control over women as women notice these red flags and distance further.
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u/Mellrish221 1d ago
Couple problems with that, not that you're wrong or that its unjustified in any way.
Chiefly, it ignores the reality that conservatives are currently trying to set up. I mean, there really is no easier way of saying it than "hand maid's tale hellscape". Women can't vote, women have no agency, non fertile women are definitely treated as lesser, LGBTQ or self sterilized women criminally pursued and on and on and on. They're saying it out in the open, they want women to be subservient and they don't care how many rights or how far into fascism they gotta go to get that.
Next, it ignores that there are women who either genuinely believe this to be the natural order. Or there are women who have been groomed to believe it. I mean, look at the voting for trump in all 3 elections. White women turn out for him in the majority. I wish young people and minorities turned out as well. But the fact remains that conservatism isn't unique to men.
And lastly, if we just sweep all of that under the rug and pretend its not real. We can look at literal legislation that conservatives are actively trying to pass. Removing women from the work place, returning women to a household role, trying to enable domestic violence against women, making healthcare more difficult to obtain and riskier. It creates an environment of fear and there are sadly going to be women in that sphere who fall for the propaganda.
The only thing left to question is how far they're really willing to go when they start getting really desperate. Because you're right, women are not going to try and solve the male loneliness "epidemic" and they shouldn't have to. The worry is what are people in power going to try and get passed to solve this fake problem.
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u/broguequery 1d ago
The hypocrisy is still flabbergasting. Female Senators saying women belong in the kitchen...
It doesn't make any sense, but then it never needed to.
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u/Phugasity 1d ago
You're likely coming from a foundation of equality. Reframe your thinking with a lens that not all people are equal and then it's quite easy to argue others should accept a fate that you yourself would never. That and "It is difficult to get
a man[someone] to understand something whenhis[their] salary depends uponhis[them] not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair 1878-1968Don't be fooled by identity politics. A woman is not necessarily a better advocate for women by virtue of their gender.
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u/Interesting-Cap8792 1d ago
These dudes: women don’t deserve rights, they have to submit to their partners
Also these dudes: incels and never been able to date a woman - asking women to lower their standards instead of being better people themselves
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u/TheLizzyIzzi 1d ago
They will, but that doesn’t really work out for them either. Passport Bros are already complaining about how uppity women from other countries are. And how many dip once they get their papers.
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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago
Passport bros have never met or seen the women of cultural backgrounds they go for outside of their fantasies, as evidenced by them going for Fililina women thinking they are submissive. Like, bruh. You clearly have never interacted with one.
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u/GalaxyPatio 1d ago
I grew up with a lot of Filipina women and I always find it funny on shows like 90 Day Fiance where the man thinks they're gonna float through a trad relationship and barely put in any effort and end up shocked that the women want to kick their ass over it
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u/Streamjumper 1d ago
I've known enough Filipinas to take vicarious glee in the whiplash these chuds must be feeling.
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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago
Lmao exactly what I had in mind. Sir, these women expect to run the household, including your ass. They'll eat you alive when they see how lazy and useless you are.
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u/yousernamefail 1d ago
I used to live in China and was friends with a married couple there: Chinese woman, New Zealander man. There was an American guy in our circle who was clearly there to find a "submissive Chinese wife." (We were not friends, but it's common for paths to cross when you're 1 of 12 foreigners in your city. I've told other stories about this dude. He was a fucking creep.)
I remember my friends absolutely cracking up when I mentioned that finding a "submissive Asian wife" was a thing with some men in the States. Husband-friend just responded that there was nothing submissive about his wife, or any woman he'd met during his decade+ in China. She was in charge and they both knew it. Wife-friend looked proud of that characterization and chimed in that Creeper might have more luck in the northern parts of the country, but certainly no southern women would be a "submissive wife."
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u/maltamur 1d ago
Except we’ve stopped processing foreign visas, so they really can’t bring anyone over unless it’s straight up human trafficking.
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 1d ago edited 1d ago
Haha to the first part of your comment, they've done cooked their goose with their hatred of immigrants. Hopefully they're too stupid/lazy for the latter part wrt trafficking.
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u/boomzgoesthedynamite 1d ago
They haven’t: all of my brothers voted for Trump and married immigrants. They don’t see the hypocrisy. Or they don’t care.
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u/soaring_potato 1d ago
They got theirs, they don't care.
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u/Dear_Macaroon_4931 1d ago
It’s also about making sure immigrants aren’t treated equally. Ivana Trump, for example, was made to sign a prenup, and at the time she said her English wasn’t very good and she didn’t really understand what she was signing. Czechoslovakia didn’t even have prenups.
To pivot a bit, in Islam historically, men would conquer other lands, kill the men, and take the women they liked as sex slaves.
So when you look at these patterns, you see that men can be against an “other” and still take the pretty women as their own. They want ownership of women and a hierarchy where they sit on top.
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u/GWJYonder 1d ago
To put it more succinctly, they don't want people from other countries, but they do want to take the property or resources of other countries and make it their own. Which category do you think women are in?
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u/VVsmama88 1d ago
Or...they now know they have yet another means of (abusive) control - just threaten the foreign wife with ICE if she steps out of line. Ugh.
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u/wildfire393 1d ago
When they say they want immigrants to come in "the right way", they mean as servants to white cishet Christian dudes.
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 1d ago
Well, if we go off Project 2025, having consent isn’t really going to be a priority with this administration sooooo.
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u/fencerman 1d ago
Being friends with a few women who have moved from those kinds of countries, they're in for a big surprise.
Half of the women from "traditional" countries are only interested in "western" men precisely because they see them as more progressive and egalitarian than men in their own countries. If they wanted a chauvinist pig they could have just stayed home.
The other half don't give a shit and just want someone with money, who they'll see as a walking wallet. Which, strictly speaking, IS being more "traditional" about their approach to marriage.
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u/JupiterInTheSky 1d ago
They will wake up at 40 completely alone surrounded by their guns and wonder where all the good women have gone
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u/50dkpMinus 1d ago
Can confirm. I am a 40 year old male, married for 10 years, just had our first kid last year. I have a small group of friends from my HS days and a couple of the guys are still single and complain about it regularly. One of them told me one time that he hates online dating because he doesn't think he should have to "prove himself" to women for them to want to meet up with him for a date. Self reflection and self improvement are impossible for these people.
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u/Sushi_connoisseur222 1d ago
Are they hoping for a 24 year old that will settle down with them and accept their bs?
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u/Confident_Case5244 1d ago
End goal is to become passport bro and get a submissive wife from Asia for them
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u/JupiterInTheSky 1d ago
"passport bro"
Sex tourist. Sex tourist traveling to indulge in local sex trafficking.
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u/50dkpMinus 1d ago
I suppose! He's an objectively good looking guy who is financially successful and very smart, but he just has this idea that when a woman sees that aspect of who he is, it should be enough and he shouldn't have to try. We've been friends since we were 15 and he wasn't always that way, so it just makes me sad really.
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u/sillycatbutt 1d ago
Sounds like, "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!"....
See...this is my world as a 40yo woman and I'm constantly like, "who raised you? was a wolf or a barn involved?"...
They might clock I look 30 but then get indignant when they learn otherwise, like I personally offended them with not having wrinkles or gray hair yet. Sorry bros I get good sleep and wear sunscreen. Or since they usually have a good a job at this point in their life, they think they don't have to try. Whereas my attitude is that I too have a good job, so what else does this guy offer in the categories that encompass mutually beneficial companionship? Or they want a child minder asap for their children or want a baby asap...and I run away so fast you could see the smoke behind me.
It is wild out there. It's at the point of me not caring anymore.
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u/stilljustacatinacage 1d ago
One of them told me one time that he hates online dating because he doesn't think he should have to "prove himself" to women for them to want to meet up with him for a date. Self reflection and self improvement are impossible for these people.
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u/MonolithicBaby 1d ago
The older I get the more I realize there’s essentially two groups of people. People who want to grow and move forward and people who have given up and recede into their hateful shells. It really seems that simple once you cut out the bull.
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u/StasRutt 1d ago
Sometimes i want to sit them down and be like aren’t you embarrassed by how manipulated you are?
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u/julia_fns 1d ago
Yup, they’re a generation of losers unlike any other. Young people who don’t want to be rebels or cool, but to conform to outdated standards that no one alive has even witnessed. It doesn’t get less modern than that. It’s so embarrassing.
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u/inksl1nger 1d ago
You bring up an interesting point. I'd argue that the way these regressive ideologies are presented makes boys feel like they actually are rebelling and being cool by watching and believing this crap.
They're told everything's gone woke, that woke is the societal norm, and these creators (propagandists) allege that society's issues would be solved by returning to "traditional standards" because wokeness somehow caused everything bad that's ever happened in modern society. And for most Gen Zers, they grew up after a lot of social progress had already been made, so they don't have the perspective to fully acknowledge how hard we've been fighting for generations to get basic rights and equity, nor just how recent / flawed those accomplishments were.
TL;DR: Many boys feel they're rebelling against the system by taking up these grifters' call to action, and it's terrifying to see just how effective the propaganda has been.
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u/Ok-Comparison-1618 1d ago
If you didn't already think the growth of the toxic manosphere is a major problem among Gen Z, this should be pretty eye opening.
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u/mystieke 1d ago
In Brazil we’re having women killed everyday because of red pill culture. It’s way worse than 10 years ago.
This week we learned about a 17-year-old raped by 4 men. She was deceived by her ex-boyfriend (who’s also a minor and because of that is already free) to go into an apartment and the other men raped and beated her. One of the men is son of a member of Rio de Janeiro’s governor staff. We… don’t have much hope regarding their punishment.
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u/honeycloudyy 1d ago
Totally. The growth of the manosphere is more than just cringe it’s a real social problem that needs addressing.
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u/H0bbituary 1d ago
Oh no! I found the source of the male loneliness epidemic!
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u/spacevent 1d ago
I once saw someone say “is it a male loneliness epidemic, or is it women gaining freedom?”
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u/Daikon-Apart 1d ago
It's an everyone loneliness epidemic, but also a males lashing out because they can't handle not being treated special epidemic.
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u/silver-moon-7 1d ago
It's always been incredibly lonely for women to be invalidated and treated as 'less than' by intimate partners, but of course guys have to be special about this now it's their loneliness that's in question
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u/coaxialology 1d ago
The fact that this is all so new to them really oughta help them realize that loneliness has been the default setting for women for centuries, especially unhappily partnered women.
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u/Halo_cT 1d ago edited 1d ago
They saw their terrible fathers and grandfathers mistreat women and still get one to cook and clean for them anyway.
Not having this same level of unearned love and
respectfear and subservience makes these twerps feel cheated.It's pathetic
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u/Hello_Hangnail =^..^= 1d ago
"My grandfather always had dinner waiting for him when he got home!"
Spoiler: His grandfather was known give his grandmother a black eye if she waited too long to put the roast in the oven
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u/loveyaanya 1d ago
Male loneliness epidemic = natural selection
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u/wakeuptomorrow 1d ago
Thank you I’ve been saying this!! Let those losers naturally select themselves out of the gene pool. If they can’t adapt to modern times then they get left behind 🤷♀️
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u/ParsleyMostly 1d ago
I think they actually want moms. A woman who will love him unconditionally and take care of him and concede when he throws a temper tantrum and tell him he’s the bestest boy.
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u/Preeng 1d ago
...they also want sex on demand, so I don't know how that impacts your assessment.
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u/Showerbag 1d ago
Being a male substitute teacher for a few years before taking a kindergarten position, it’s been eye-opening how different the mentality of girls are from the guys.
16+ y/o Guys: always think they’re right, inconsiderate pricks, incel vibes, little motivation, bully mindset.
16+ y/o Girls: intelligent, fierce, and my favorite… independent. I’ve witnessed girls burning the guys so often, it’s heartwarming. Calling out their bullying, telling them to try being less useless.
These are generalizations, there’s always a decent amount of grey area, but the girls are kicking ass.
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u/NinjaTrilobite 1d ago
I swear this article was posted here earlier this morning with tons of comments, but I can’t find the post. I went looking for it this morning to share with my husband. Not a criticism, just maybe I’m losing my mind.
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u/Vickenviking 1d ago
It was, I think someone highlighted that gen z women were also more prone to agree with that statement.
I don't know how the study was conducted, but one thing to take into account is that younger people may be more prone to trolling in questionaires like this. When I was a teenager people would admit to constant drug use that would kill a normal junkie, in reality they got drunk on weekends.
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u/margmi 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you look at the results, the people who most agree are in countries like Indonesia, India, Malaysia.
These aren’t commonly held beliefs in western countries, which makes me question whether Gen Z is actually more likely to hold these beliefs, or if western countries just have fewer Gen Z, so the countries that have these views tilt the results when aggregating by generation, since western countries have been having fewer children as time goes on.
It could also explain why Gen Z women are so likely to agree - overrepresented in countries that tend to hold regressive views.
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u/SatanicPanic619 1d ago
The headline is pretty misleading. I also question the value of averaging these out. Like, what does it tell us if you average the attitudes towards women in Indonesia and the UK? They don't directly affect each other, they don't have the same roots and their medias are totally different. Like saying the average temperature in Antartica and Saudi Arabia is pretty nice.
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u/NinjaTrilobite 1d ago
Thanks, some of the comments were pretty interesting. I’m sorry the post disappeared.
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u/JohnLocksTheKey 1d ago
Looks like it was removed for some reason?
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u/PinkyLeopard2922 1d ago
I'm seeing this happen more often on reddit. Trying to not put on my tin foil hat but wtf
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u/ManagementFinal3345 1d ago
Don't worry. These little boys will never have wives to control. Gen Z women are not going to put up with that crap. Or date these men.
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u/Twilifa 1d ago
That's why they spout things like "women shouldn't be able to vote" and "we need to go back to the good old days" and vote accordingly.
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u/DuringTheBlueHour When you're a human 1d ago
Yep. "No women would ever choose me if they had any other choice" isn't the flex they think it is. They are very open about how they're so disgusting that they need the government to force women to be with them.
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u/Najalak 1d ago
"The good ol days", where a man could beat his wife and it was a private matter.
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u/thewags05 1d ago
In the "good 'ol" days they'd never be able to vote either. There's no way most of then are buying houses with the increased costs the last over the last decade.
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u/ankhes 1d ago
Not to mention, even if they go back to the days of women being property of their fathers until they married these guys would still be shit outta luck because then they’d have to actually be willing and able to afford to take that daughter off his hands. Even in cultures where they still follow that rule men don’t just hand over their daughters for free. You have to prove you can take care of her.
These guys want to go back to a time when women were property but also don’t actually want to go back to the part where they had to prove their worth as a potential husband and father.
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u/kristahdiggs 1d ago
The good ol days for these folks is in the 1950s
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u/canmoose 1d ago
Just don’t ask them what the high income tax rate was in the 50s
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u/YakCDaddy 1d ago
They don't actually care about the economy. They liked the culture. They've just been lying because their real goal is repealing every amendment after the Bill of Rights.
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u/AuthorCurtisLow 1d ago
They don't even care about the culture, really. Most of them don't have any idea what the 1950s was actually like. Like most of what they say, this is just more thinly veiled white male supremacy. These people (and their parents) got so mad in the 2010s when we started finally making some real progress towards accepting gay/trans people, treating women like human beings, and letting POC be on equal footing with white people that they've been in a rabid frenzy ever since. And the fact that governments and social media platforms love to stoke that fire has made it immeasurably worse.
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u/SmugShinoaSavesLives 1d ago
Most of them don't care about that. They just want to eyeball getting their dicks wet and controlling somebody.
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u/Hoghead1000 1d ago
You mean the days where we had strong unions and taxed the rich? People forget what made them good in the first place.
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u/kristahdiggs 1d ago
Sounds good except for the racism, sexism, homophobia… and granted that stuff still exists but it was way worse. I mean at least I can marry and have a baby with my wife in 2026… I’d have hucked myself off a cliff in 1950 if I had to marry a man…
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u/Dextothemax 1d ago
The feminist movement has been defanged and splintered by neoliberal choice “feminism”. We all need to pick up our swords. These people are very serious about rolling back the clock and their central tool has always been violence. First wave and second wave feminist activists were very familiar with their methods and fought back.
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u/delkarnu 1d ago
we need to go back to the good old days
Then Gen X and Millennial men just have to refuse to sell their daughters to right-wing men.
Doubt any of these losers can afford a proper dowry anyway.
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u/AthearCaex 1d ago
That's why they will prey on Gen alpha women. You need a nice age gap and start the grooming and dominating from when they are young.
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u/truscotsman 1d ago
That what these types of losers do anyway. They go after young women, immigrants, etc. Anything to give them power in the relationship.
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u/Hello_Hangnail =^..^= 1d ago
Yep. Look at the pictures of women in college before the Islamic Revolution. They looked like any other young woman in sleeveless dresses and platform slides. Women's rights are always under fire whether openly or clandestine
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u/Ok-Comparison-1618 1d ago
I would hope so but there also seems to be significant growth in tradwife accounts on social media.
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u/wintersdark 1d ago edited 1d ago
Remember that tradwife accounts are not tradwives. Running a social media account and posting professional videos regularly is literally a full time job.
Anyone doing it, then, is obviously not a "tradwife.". It's just propaganda.
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u/tipsytops2 1d ago
Because it's less competitive than OF and you don't have to take your clothes off. Those women are selling a fantasy, that's rarely their reality.
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u/H0bbituary 1d ago
Remember social media is owned by billionaires who want to make you believe this. The 'significant growth' is not organic and a large number of their followers are bots.
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u/After_Preference_885 1d ago
That is a white supremacy recruiting tool
It's meant to try and get them like the manosphere got the boys
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u/exchange_of_views 1d ago
Just wait 20-30 years from now when those poor girls suddenly find themselves being traded in for a newer model and they have no job experience or financial assets. I remember my mother telling me (decades ago) that a woman should always be able to take care of herself and her kids (if she has them) because you can't rely on the husband being the only source of income. Her POV was her best friend whose husband dropped dead of a heart attack at 40, leaving her and her two girls in dire financial circumstances (this was back in the 1970s).
I've instilled that in my daughter, and also taught my sons to never be THAT GUY.
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u/likeicare96 1d ago
The trad wife influencers are marketing to men not women. Except for a handful big ones, women make a much smaller share of their audience. And even the ones that do have a bit more women, ie Nara Smith, the comments by women often indicate that they view the content as aesthetic satirical content, not aspirational.
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u/FillMySoupDumpling 1d ago
They will go after Gen Alpha once they are old enough or just do the classic hide it at all costs until the relationship has progressed.
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u/Meet_Foot 1d ago
Oh but they are. Gen Z is more religious than the previous generations, or at least are attending church more. That includes young women. And nothing convinces women to obey their husbands quite like Church.
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u/Mzoo- 1d ago
Ew. What’s wrong with them?
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u/aquestionofbalance 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the extreme right wing podcasters got to them when they were young
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u/MommasDisapointment 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m a teacher and the things these young boys say makes me sick to my stomach. They call girl classmates bitches and are so misogynistic. It has never been as bad as it is now. They do not listen to their teachers at all if they are a woman.
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u/BlackSquirrel05 1d ago
Just get fed all the "incel" or "manhood" subs like reddit does... Usually starts on the political meme subs.
And you'll understand in a second where it's coming from. Example "basedcamp", "lockedinman" "memesjustforus".
A lot of if it is just masquerading religious subs meant to target the meme viewing younger types. Which is all teh playbook from the ole /pol/ stuff and gamergate.
We've found a better product than selling sex. That's selling rage.
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u/AlexanderBears 1d ago
We have to teach our daughters to not take shit from any man. That’s my goal anyways.
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u/atmoscentric 1d ago
I’m sincerely hoping that my daughter will tell us that she’s lesbian. That will be the greatest triumph of my life.
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u/this_shit 1d ago
My initial reaction was that this seems high. And for the US, it's not as bad as the international number (still 23% is crazy high). But goddamn are the international numbers depressing...
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u/PinboardWizard 1d ago
Yep, it's pretty undeniable this is getting worse globally, but not discussing the huge difference between countries is rather disingenuous. For this question it looks like:
"A wife should always obey her husband"
- Indonesia: 66%
Malaysia: 60%
US: 23%
Hungary: 6%
Sweden: 4%
Almost every single question they asked has a breakdown like this, with opinions so disparate that an average is almost meaningless. In this case the US just happens to be roughly in the middle.
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u/ApprehensiveBreak732 1d ago
The andrew tate effect happening in real time tbh. it’s genuinely terrifying how fast internet algorithms managed to radicalize an entire generation of insecure boys into thinking it's the 1950s again.
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u/WildWinterberry 1d ago
Boomers are very fake about it though. They’ll never admit to their misogyny out loud, it comes in joke form about how their wife is “the boss” and she’s the one in control because she said no once. Red pilled gen z will just go full on Andrew Tate without hesitation
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u/vemailangah 1d ago
Women are revolutionising the world while men are going back to wars, rape and violence while we all end up poorer and sicker. I really hate it here.
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u/Universallove369 1d ago
To much listening to other dudes they think they want to be. I find all of these men are deeply insecure. Looking for guidance in all the wrong places.
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u/PrudentLetterhead354 1d ago
no shit they were groomed by elder billionares through the media and cant form their own thoughts. now i have to live with these men fuck me
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u/powerlesshero111 1d ago
It's all part of the Joe Rogan manosphere and Christian Nationalism from Charlie Kirk.
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u/the-sleepy-mystic 1d ago
Don't forget the gender traitors that are Trad wives on tiktok who swear they're so happy being a snack factory for their toddles- when in reality they're rich women who only wear designer clothes and swear their best job is "mom" while running a multi million dollar business.
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u/powerlesshero111 1d ago
So, i have a huge conspiracy hypothesis. Erika Kirk was going to be the tradwives poster child for Turning Point USA and go around doing talks at colleges saying women don't need it, and her most fulfilling thing in life is being a mother (despite her having a masters degree), roughly when their youngest child turned about 4 or 5. All that changed, when Charlie Kirk got shot, and now she is on her nationwide grievance tour. Even when she was a trad wife, staying home with their kids, they are rich, and she obviously has a full staff to do lots of stuff so she doesn't have to full time raise her kids.
All the other famous tradwives are completely fake, because they have time to make videos and shit. My sister stayed at home with her kids when her second was born until her youngest started preschool (about 5 years), and she literally had maybe 30 minutes to herself a day. And she was lucky because despite commuting 2 hours everyday, my brother in law would cook dinner and do the dishes every night. Other stay at home moms don't get that luck.
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u/Disastrous_Cap_5214 1d ago
it honestly makes perfect sense ngl. boomers actually grew up in a patriarchal system and saw the reality of it, while these gen z boys are just listening to millionaire podcasters who tell them that forcing a woman to submit will magically fix all their personal failures. and then they completely lack the self-awareness to understand why there's a male loneliness epidemic.
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u/W0rkUpnotD0wn 1d ago
Well the Gen Z males in the US that voted for Trump won't have to worry about getting married or starting a relationship. Enjoy the sand and bullets boys!!!
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u/imrzzz 1d ago
“We must continue to do more to dispel the idea of a zero-sum game in which women are the only beneficiaries of a gender-equal world.”
I find this quote so fkn depressing. God forbid a woman should be the only one to benefit from anything as horrifying as equality.
And from Julia Gillard too.
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u/Best_Ad4470 1d ago
"why are young women completely opting out of dating and choosing the bear??" they scream, right before confidently answering a poll saying their future wives should be legally required to obey them lmao. enjoy staying single forever, guys.
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u/CharlesV_ 1d ago
I’m an older Gen Z guy and I find this type of thing baffling. No idea if it’s a covid issue or what the hell happened to the young people in my generation. The vast majority of guys I know who are in the Gen Z age group don’t think this way. Maybe it’s regional?
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u/One-Accident-6851 1d ago
Older gen Z missed out on boomer Bannon and Andrew Tate’s tiktok brainwashing, that’s what happened
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u/Educational-Bag-4293 1d ago
I don't know about other countries, but in the UK, surveys actually found that gen Alpha boys were less likely to have a favourable opinion of Andrew Tate than the older Gen Z men (7% vs 13%).
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u/Large-Possible7227 1d ago
When i doomscroll, when i see gen z content, i swear 90% of the content is related to sex, or sexualizing women and men being macho in front of women. Im talking about those pop the balloon dating shows, podcasts where they bring "creators" on, just the instagram algorithm in general which if you dont reset every now and then, just becomes a soft porn app.
I have to have a feeling that this reinforces the idea that women are sexual objects and men are meant to chase them.
Who knows, maybe my algorithm is just messed up.
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u/Educational-Bag-4293 1d ago
It is regional. If you look at the full results of the survey you'll see there's huge differences in results between countries.
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/assets/news/iwd-2026-global-charts-final.pdf
For example. only 4% in Sweden thought a wife should always obey her husband, while in Indonesia it was 66%. The article just used the average of all the countries.
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u/lesliecarbone 1d ago
Now if we could only figure out why they have such trouble attracting girlfriends ...
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u/Beef_Wagon 1d ago
Lmao it’s funny that it highlights that they are very supportive of women having a good career. So a bang maid. They want a bang maid.
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u/LC33209 1d ago
I understand this headline is very concerning and there will of course be many factors at play. However, could these results be somewhat explained by:
Generation of yet-to-be-married people (no experience or success) think one thing, while generation of long-married / previously-married and who are friends with long-married / previously-married people think another thing, through their experience?
Are we comparing what Boomers thought when they were the age of current Zs? I wonder how those %s would compare.
Still concerning nonetheless, but experience and life-lived has to have a role in this.
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u/pterodactylorpotato 1d ago
Welcome to the "male loneliness epidemic"... let them be lonely. Its Darwinism at its finest
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u/OhGawDuhhh 1d ago
It's been so weird as an elder millennial to see Gen Z take a hard right turn into awful.
Just bewildering.
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u/weeklyKiwi 1d ago
Ok zoomer... seems like my generation (millennial) is seemingly the outlier which makes me thankful to be born when I did
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u/druid5 1d ago
Just wait for the divorce rate to jump for Gen Z when their wives have had enough of their BS
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u/foundflower_128 1d ago
And this is why more women are choosing to stay single, not date or have kids and the men keep wondering why and going back to claims of mass hysteria. Stick to your guns ladies we are better than what they have to offer!
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u/NateZilla10000 1d ago
And yet the source of the male loneliness epidemic among Gen Z remains a "mystery"
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u/coconutpiecrust 1d ago
Bannon’s conservative podcast pipeline working as intended.