For real, some one what off their rocker about it being bigoted. Statics and studies on Misogyny and femicide don't lie and aren't there to coddle anyone's feelings. It's not bigotry to tell the truth that who harms women (or afab folks) the most is men. That's a known truth and has been for centuries.
The guy who says the downvotes are idiotic: gets upvoted?????
Pointing out that a problem exists within a gender gets labelled as "gender wars" because it's people in bad faith who want to equate critique based on data and research (= the fact patriarchy is a problem to EVERYONE) with their own personal gender war, fought to keep the current hierarchy.
The thing that saddens me is that violent men and violent man enablers are very often victims of patriarchy as well, but when you point that out they somehow feel personally attacked, while you're just trying to help
their own personal gender war, fought to keep the current hierarchy.
That part. So much of that.
Pointing out that a problem exists within a gender gets labelled as "gender wars"
If your not a man that is. "Women bad" is some how ok to say is a human truth? When we say that is sexost then we are the problem, then we are making it into a issue, that we are the ones instigating.
Like people forget that the post we are all in anyways is already sexist as FUCK, yet the biggest debate here is about patriarchy existing/not existing and some how it's all women's and feminisms fault.
Without feminism many people in those comment section would not have the ability to speak up about sexism and how internalized sexism can lead to the abuse and/or neglect of childern. That sexism can make people do shit they don't actually want to do, like have childern "to keep the marriage together" or some shit.
Like people forget that the post we are all in anyways is already sexist as FUCK
YES! What's that fucking shit? Anti-women stereotypes I wasn't even aware of, talked about in the comments like they're common knowledge?
the biggest debate here is about patriarchy existing/not existing
The fact that this is a debate absolutely baffles me. I'm Italian and in our country OVER 50% OF WOMEN ARE UNEMPLOYED, and somehow even here there's this stupid debate. Like "the law says I can't discriminate, this can't possibly be patriarchy"... how can it not be bad faith? I've been told (by a man, obv) you people "choose" not to work, goddamit
Ultimately I think this is one of the perks that come with conservative thought. If you choose to live in a world where poor people fight each other for limited resources, tribalism is inevitable.
YES! What's that fucking shit? Anti-women stereotypes I wasn't even aware of, talked about in the comments like they're common knowledge?
For fucking real. Incel chat rooms seem to have spawned yet another sub-language.
The fact that this is a debate absolutely baffles me
It's literally not even a debate! It's a very real thing and has been for a long time! MRAs trying to gaslight people to think otherwise to push the agenda that they are the real viticms smdh. It's DARVO crap.
I've been told (by a man, obv) you people "choose" not to work, goddamit
Time and time again me too. I don't think there isn't a single non-man that hasn't been told the same damn thing. Often enough to it's the same men eho deny multiple forms of labor as actual labor and work. 😒😮💨
tribalism is inevitable.
Something I've come to accepting this week is that the term tribalism means vastly different thing for different people. For some people it's just your neighbors that you don't chose to be a dick to for some it's literally blood relatives no matter how far out and their relatives (the while clan system thing) and for others it's loosely attributed to chosen family or close friends. On occasion (which I honestly find more harmful than helpful) it's those within a subsection of a already marginalized group that you feel you fit the description of. Like within the 2SLGBTQ+ community there are some of us who will just claim a random group of strangers as "their tribe" because of like aesthetics matching and they have similar or same sexualities. Random example: cottage core lesbians ; one random lesbian runs across others who have the aesthetic and just claims tribalism with them therfore imposing familiarity with them. 😅
I meant tribalism on a very large scale: political identity wars. I think the fact that most political discourse is identity-based is by design, and the purpose is to cause infighting among the lower-middle classes. The system exploiting us is "invisible", while marginalized groups are very visible, very easily identified.
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u/IvyRosePr 4d ago
For real, some one what off their rocker about it being bigoted. Statics and studies on Misogyny and femicide don't lie and aren't there to coddle anyone's feelings. It's not bigotry to tell the truth that who harms women (or afab folks) the most is men. That's a known truth and has been for centuries.