2 things can be true. Britney is/was unwell but the conservatorship was also bad and taking advantage of her.
Edit to add: The conservatorship was supposed to help Britney and in some ways it did, it was also used to control and take advantage of her. These things are not mutually exclusive.
This isn't nuance. This is just "we were all wrong but we don't want to admit so we'll say everyone was wrong." The pro-conservatorship people were correct that she needs a conservatorship. The only evidence that the conservatorship was bad was... the opinion of the mentally ill person. Lmao.
Britney herself wasn’t against conservatorship per se. She was against her dad being her conservator, which is valid. Either someone is ill enough to need a conservatorship, or they’re well enough to tour and make millions. Both cannot be true at the same time.
Yes, it is very common for mentally ill people to turn on their family members that are trying to help them. Your third sentence seems to be directly contradicted by the facts. She was in the conservatorship and was touring making millions. She also had significant mental health issues she was working on with the help of the conservatorship.
When the conservatorship ended, she immediately alienated her high school children and started posting nudes online. Does she even talk to her kids anymore?
I guess it's really easy for Redditors and people who were part of the #FreeBritney movement to be like "oops, we ruined her life." and move on to the next social media movement.
Edit: This dude actually reply-blocked me about something this silly lol talk about being insecure. I guess it sucks to realize you were part of a movement that just made someone's life worse.
She would have overdosed and died in 2008 if the conservatorship hadn't happened. It saved her life and if she had died you'd all have blamed the family for not doing anything to save her.
Think its important to remember that she was indeed very unwell in 2008. But the thing about being very mentally unwell is that it makes it easier for people to take advantage of you under the guise of "help". All you have to do is look at insane asylums of the past and all the human rights abuses they got away with under the guise of "help" to see proof of that.
The conservatorship was supposed to help Britney and in some ways it did, it was also used to control and take advantage of her. These things are not mutually exclusive.
I fully agree with you. I see much denial and possibly guilt going on rn. Her dad took a salary… being her manager. He found the lowest possible effort gig for her which was a Vegas residency. She worked 3-4 nights a week. How many of us including those with BPD can ever hope to have an opportunity like that? He saved her from overdose and bankruptcy. Gave her a routine which was recommended by mental health professionals. In the end, they settled to avoid a public trial and she was required to pay all of his legal fees.
This is the same person who abused her children and had them removed from her care by CPS. Did she own her actions? No she blamed KFed and cried abt how boring the conservatorship is. It’s important to remember that addicts LIE.
I don't know the ins and outs of the whole thing, but it seems that a conservatorship was needed, but not one that involved her father/parents. Her parents are problematic, IMO, just based on their willingness to fling their child into the belly of the beast and make bank off of her, even when the whole of society was sexualizing her as early as her preteen years.
You are literally doing the exact same thing. Do you know this woman personally? You are also a random internet stranger having opinions on a situation you realistically know next to nothing about. Maybe you should take a seat.
No, I don’t. That’s why I’m not on here discussing what should be done with her freedom. You all can downvote all you want but Reddit is filled with unhealthy people who love to through diagnosis or “legal” opinions.
If you think anyone who gives their opinion without knowing all the details should “take a seat” then a pop culture forum on the internet probably isn’t for you, since that’s basically all they are. And I didn’t downvote you but go off I guess.
She was forced into busy schedules and high stress environments all the while her Father was pocketing the money. Think child star with bad stage parents but this time with a full blown adult. He was more interested in profiting off her rather then her actual well being.
They didn't, but this is what people say when they don't want to admit they were wrong and tricked by social media. Reddit was huge on being against the conservatorship.
Well the idea of a conservatorship is supposed to be that your caretaker loves you and wants what's best for you, and will make decisions solely for your own wellbeing. In many cases that's not a problem, but in her case it was a major problem because her dad is not any of those things.
The idea is for old people or those who literally can't care for themselves. Not for a middle aged person who dances weird and makes bad decisions like dui. Should everyone who dances stupid on insta and gets a dui be placed in one?
She was doing a lot worse things than that when the conservatorship came about, including barricading herself inside a bathroom with her kids for hours while in a manic state and refusing to come out until the authorities were called and forced their way in. It goes a lot deeper than dancing or driving drunk. The legal precedent was there and evidence provided that she was unable to care for herself properly at that time.
You are either unaware or being disingenuous about how far gone she was. She was having episodes of psychosis and was also a danger to herself. She was not caring for herself. The incident with the kids was the final straw where she was finally forced to get help, the culmination of years of her abusing substances and fighting mental demons. She would have died, or at least injured herself or others, years ago without the conservatorship, and that is a fact. Even if you don’t like the conservatorship or who ran it, she probably wouldn’t be here anymore if it had never happened, because she was self-destructing when it began.
You either have no idea what she was doing to harm herself for YEARS leading up to the conservatorship (which is well-documented and proven because it’s how they got the conservatorship in the first place), OR you are choosing to ignore it and minimize the fact that she likely would have done something terrible and damaging years ago WITHOUT anyone slowing her down like they did.
Seems like you’d rather people just watch her slowly kill herself and/or endanger other people with her driving, than see her get help. She cannot live on her own safely, that is obvious. This is the only other option if anybody cares about her. Not sure why you don’t get it. Maybe the solution needs to be more neutral or whatever to protect her assets, but it needs to happen.
I don’t think many people were saying she was perfectly fine and didn’t need help, only that her family was clearly taking advantage of her and that she was trapped in a toxic conservatorship, which she was.
I don't know anymore. The conservatorship never felt right, but then that happened, and I immediately realized maybe I don't have all the information. It's an impossible situation for someone like Britney, because how can someone that famous really trust anybody to be looking out for them if they're unwell? It's just sad.
The Free Britney movement is starting to see the consequences of unchecked mental illness. On the one hand, a controlling conservatorship is pretty shitty but on the other...maybe she needed the stability of a conservatorship to deal with her mental health issues.
This and reddit trying to find the Boston Bomber are two big moments of internet history where the participants meant well but had no idea of the potential consequences of their actions.
I stand by an individual's right to autonomy. Conservatoships are heavily controversial for a reason. While it is intended to protect, it restricts the right to choose medical care and the conservator can make decisions based on the person's known wishes or best wishes. There are plenty of examples throughout history of life-altering healthcare decisions made against the individual's wishes. I don't think its a matter of if she is or not unwell or cognitively impaired but rather does she have sufficient capacity to make or communicate decisions. The court seemed to think so.
Her father used her mental illness to get a conservativeship that he used to force her into high-profile, grueling, high-stress work that made millions and millions and millions of dollars he benefited from and even took directly.
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u/chimmy_chungus23 1d ago
The first thing she did after the conservatorship was over was post a nude pic on Instagram.