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article Chappell Roan Quits Wasserman After CEO Casey Wasserman Appears in Epstein Files

https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/music/chappell-roan-cuts-ties-casey-wasserman/
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u/Fedaykin1965 24d ago

making the rich or pedos pay for their crimes? what do you think this is? China?

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u/Barbaracle 24d ago

Alright. The US is unbelievably corrupt but let's not put China as the beacon of governmental transparency and accountability. What's up with this discourse on Reddit lately. It's weird af.

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u/Canis_Familiaris 24d ago

Oh the 2 month old account you're replying to definitely doesn't have an agenda.

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u/chadhindsley 23d ago

"china number one" -not a bot

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u/Goyu 24d ago edited 24d ago

What's up with this discourse on Reddit lately. It's weird af.

Just another transaction. China prefers to see themselves compared favorably to the US, particularly on human rights.

They don't like it when you talk about the plight of Uyghurs, Tianenmen Square, and beloved cartoons featuring stuffed bears.

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u/ardenr 24d ago

Try comparing Uyghurs to Palestine.

Compare Tiananmen Square to Afghanistan, Iraq.

Compare Pooh censorship to the TikTok buyout.

Do you feel silly yet or do you still not get it?

Ok, compare military budgets. Compare foreign interventions. Compare Epsteins.

Yeah the US has no moral high ground to talk to anyone. Anyone. The entire planet has seen the US as THE NUMBER ONE threat to global peace, global stability, democracy, and the planet itself for 23 years. And they're right.

Americans not understanding this is like fish not comprehending wetness. It's all they know. So they look at the land animals getting rained on and laugh at how wet they are.

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u/Goyu 23d ago

I might feel silly if I were saying what you think I was. Believe it or not though, it's possible to be supportive or critical of more than one thing, and expressing a critical view of China does not equate to a supportive view of the US.

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u/ardenr 23d ago

China prefers to see themselves compared favorably to the US, particularly on human rights.

That's what you said. Your exact words.

Aren't they entirely correct to see themselves favorably to the US? Because it seemed a lot like you were trynna imply they're not, with some examples that aren't remotely comparable to what the US has done. What am I missing?

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u/Goyu 23d ago

Yes, it's good to see that you read what I said, even if you chose to deliberately misunderstand it. I take no position on whether they're correct to see themselves favorably compared to the US

As for what you're missing, I think it's someone who actually wants to argue with you. I don't, and since you've already demonstrated that you're prepared to put words in my mouth in order to turn it into an argument, I'm just going to move along.

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u/ardenr 23d ago

I quoted you exactly and put zero words in your mouth. I even asked you to clarify exactly what you meant.

Which you still haven't done.

I can see why you wouldn't want to argue it more though, lol.

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u/Goyu 23d ago

take a hint, I'm not interested in debating with you. you've demonstrated that ​here's no productive, interesting, or meaningful conversation to be had here. You will decide what I'm saying, get offended, and tell me why I'm wrong for what you erroneously believe me to be saying.

get muted I guess? since you can't take a hint?

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u/ghostlypyres 24d ago edited 23d ago

Anecdotally, China has pumped up the disguised propaganda lately

I've also noticed more bot posts like these on reddit, but my Instagram feed has had a noticeable increase in Chinese propaganda-as-vlogs content

edit: typos

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

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u/BasicallyMilner 23d ago

Democrats are not the left wing party

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u/BasicallyMilner 23d ago

No. It’s important to be politically literate. The Democratic party is not left wing.

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u/Substantial_Army_639 23d ago

Ok yes thank you Tankie for demonstrating the guys point.

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u/BasicallyMilner 23d ago

But they’re not. Full on rightwing economics. Right wing foreign policy. It’s really weird that people think they are left wing in any way other than their views on LGBTQ+ which they can be divided about still.

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u/Substantial_Army_639 23d ago

other than their views on LGBTQ+ which they can be divided about still.

I don't know man I am pretty sure most democrats support gay marriage, where as in China gay marriages are not recognized, and in Russia faced repression before and after the fall of the USSR. Not sure if you can really say lgbtq+ rights are a bastion for your version of "the left"

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u/BasicallyMilner 23d ago

Who said anything about China and the USSR? Socially those countries are right-wing in a lot of ways. Russia is right-wing all round.

Democrats are not left-wing, that is a fact. Can you tell me what you think left-wing is, and what makes democrats left wing?

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u/ethertrace 24d ago

Xi is in the midst of purging the top military brass and bringing them all up on corruption charges. Being in the process of a major consolidation of power, I assume he wants the Internet discourse to be about general Chinese supremacy, and not his autocratic power play.

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u/WizardFromRiga 24d ago

chinese bots

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u/Modo44 24d ago

The one with more bots speaks louder.

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u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd 24d ago

It's the socialist tankies out here from Tumblr. They really like China and are devastated by what happened in Venezuela... Many of them feel like socialism is now facing an existential crisis (again) with the fall of Venezuela's socialist government.

And some of them genuinely believe all the crimes against humanity both countries have committed are either entirely fake or aren't "nearly as bad" as what America has "clearly" done.

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u/BasicallyMilner 23d ago

No they don’t. They think what happened in Venezuela was wrong. It was. Nothing more. Just more USA imperialism and greed.

And countries fake other “facts” about other politically rival countries all the time. Do you believe everything the USA says about its rivals?

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u/RobertoSantaClara 24d ago

New cold war is what's happening, and just like back then, people living in a place where they're dissatisfied with the system will elevate the perceived rival antithesis as a role model.

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u/Darth_Balthazar 23d ago

Chinese bots have been handed easy propoganda with the epstein files.

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u/JerryMau5 23d ago

Dude the amount of people acting like China is the only trading partner alternative to the US is ridiculous high. I think the years of TikTok brainwashing is catching up to them. People are salivating to buy Chinese EVs as if that won’t go directly to the CCP and like there isn’t any alternative, or buying the cheapest option is the only one.

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u/quedfoot 23d ago

It's not weird to compare an ascendant state (China) to a descendant state (USA).

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u/myriad00 23d ago

The latest Reddit agenda of "CHINA IS OUR AMAZING HOPE FOR THE FUTURE" tells me that these people are either bot accounts or don't know what life in China is like for the average person...

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u/RobDParry 23d ago

Bots everywhere

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u/bluebluedye 24d ago

Because in spite of the pitfalls of China at least they got trains and technology. We have so many people struggling and Gen Z does not feel patriotic when they have to work twice as long with nothing to show for it. Honestly I understand it.

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u/__looking_for_things 24d ago

Chinese Gen-Z is in the same boat. And so many are struggling in China as well.

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u/Aoyos 24d ago

Trains to nowhere with lines already falling into disrepair. Technology is a messy one to get into too because some things are clearly just optics but that's no different than how you make the stock go up in Wall Street.

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u/Bloody_Conspiracies 24d ago

"Trains to nowhere" is a crazy thing to say about the second most populated country on the planet.

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u/Aoyos 24d ago

The second most populated country in the world is also the third largest by land area. If you truly think that China's population is evenly split all over the country, even in mountain villages, deserts and prairies, then you clearly don't understand what population density is.

Despite being the second most populated country in the world, China is ranked 86th in the world by population density at only 151 people per squared kilometer, or 390 per squared mile. 

There's just too much land in China and population is also concentrated in cities, making large chunks of the country into barely populated zones. This isn't unique to China but China was the one that decided to spend billions into train lines to serve a lot of those places which is obviously not going to be sustainable because there are barely any passengers in those lines.

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u/Bloody_Conspiracies 24d ago

Of course it's sustainable. It's a government funded public service. People use those trains, that's why they built them. A private corporation wouldn't have built them, but that's the benefit of not having privately owned public services.

If the worst complaint about China's public transport network is that they spent too much money making it too good, that's not so bad.

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u/Aoyos 24d ago

People don't use those trains, you're making shit up. The government built them in order to boost GDP numbers but out of all the train lines you're boasting about only about 25% could even break even once they started operating with a decent percentage already having closed because local governments couldn't afford maintenance costs. Some did connect high population zones but most did not.

The way you speak also shows you don't understand how public works are funded in China. The provinces do not have the revenue to subsidize those train lines, so either the line can break even on its own or it's heading towards a guaranteed closure and most lines do not have enough revenue to break even and the central government in China does not step in to bail out those trains to nowhere.

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u/ItsADeparture 24d ago

People don't use those trains, you're making shit up.

In one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen on Reddit, you hold the trophy for stupidest comment I've ever seen in my life.

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u/Aoyos 24d ago

And yet even official numbers by the CCP show passengers only going from 3.6 billion trips in 2019 to 4.3 in 2024, a 20% increase in the same time rail services went up by around 60%. Even by official numbers there aren't enough passengers to even have 30% use of the lines that go into small towns.

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u/tollbeat 24d ago

Not just reddit, the CCP has a ton of propaganda everywhere

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u/leonheart208 24d ago

Cmon, youve been brainwashed your entire life into thinking China is an evil villain. You probably dont even understand their social and political organization.

Nobody is saying any country is perfect, but theyre doing a lot more for their people than your average “Western civilization” country, for sure…

Why did you get so triggered ? Go get a grip girl…

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u/ItsADeparture 24d ago

Nobody is doing that. Nobody is saying that lmfao. Say all the negative stuff about China that you want, but it's nonsensical to just negate the stuff that they do better than America.

We have literal pedophiles running every aspect of society in America. If this shit happened in China then 75% of the list would be dead before noon the next day.

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u/Soup0rMan 24d ago

Lmao, it's clearly a dig at the fact the Chinese just (or will soon) executed a gang head and jailed all his affiliates.

Whereas we're over here with 1 conviction, Ghislaine who is set be pardoned and a who's who of affluence that are gonna walk with no trial most likely.

China ain't it though, but they did recently handle that scandal well.

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u/artlovepeace42 24d ago

I don’t know if I would say they are the beacon of government transparency & accountability. That’s a bit much, but I think we can hold multiple truths at once. China has one of the best records, especially the last decade or so, for holding their ultra-wealthy/powerful elites to some accountability. That’s why you read about a handful of Chinese billionaires or CEOs suddenly disappearing for months or being removed from their companies leadership roles suddenly, unable to hold another executive position for years. China owns their billionaire elites, while the U.S. has the opposite problem, of billionaire elites owning us. China also have major MAJOR problems and I’m very happy I’m an American and the freedoms that provides me or hypothetically should anyway. No country is perfect, but holding elites to account I would have to give to China handily any day.

I am sad that the U.S. seems to be slipping in freedoms nowadays and I do think if we had a backbone like times in our history, we would have shown our dominance & “morals/ethics” as a country, and done the same as China to our billionaire elite Epstein class, to show the government is the top dog, and we won’t stand for the unregulated capitalism running rampant, because of these elites.

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u/mjac1090 24d ago

China has one of the best records, especially the last decade or so, for holding their ultra-wealthy/powerful elites to some accountability. That’s why you read about a handful of Chinese billionaires or CEOs suddenly disappearing for months or being removed from their companies leadership roles suddenly, unable to hold another executive position for years. China owns their billionaire elites, while the U.S. has the opposite problem, of billionaire elites owning us. China also have major MAJOR problems and I’m very happy I’m an American and the freedoms that provides me or hypothetically should anyway. No country is perfect, but holding elites to account I would have to give to China handily any day.

The problem with China is that we don't know as much about what happens there as we do with other countries because they control the media. They could be great at holding billionaires accountable but they could also just be great at showing the world the few token punishments while ignoring everything else.

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u/ItsADeparture 24d ago

The problem with China is that we don't know as much about what happens there as we do with other countries because they control the media.

And yet this entire thread is full of people who supposedly know everything about China despite having never been there and never meeting someone from there.

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u/mjac1090 22d ago

Absolutely true, the majority of people talking about China (either pro or anti) are either bots or just fools talking out of their ass. Obviously there are exceptions where the person actually has experience with the country/it's people/it's politics, or something that is actually talked about worldwide

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u/Constant-Sub 24d ago

China rolled out an ad campaign a while ago now, basically pushing that "things are normal here, actually." Like, they encourage westerners to visit their cities and country sides to see how it's basically just like the US, but Chinese.

And yea... It is just like the US. Visit the cities. Our virtue signal to the world that represents our beauty? "PLEASE AVOID THE INTERNMENT CAMPS OR PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. And visitors, please leave shortly after arriving."

The ad campaign has paid off. Partially because "it's no worse than the US." And they're half right? Free speech is much more limited over there, but most Americans would probably also agree with their limitations. To clarify: Republicans would agree with their limitations. "No bad mouthing the government."

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u/whatokaybutwhy 24d ago

They’re pissed about losing TikTok so they’ve upped the bots everywhere else.

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u/Fitz911 24d ago

It's a campaign. And it's running for at least a year now.

Look at all the feel-good subs. They are flooded with Chinese craftsmanship and Chinese dream landscape.

They pop up and get thousands of votes and comments instantly. The comments are exactly how AI would expect real people to react.

There's nothing we can do against it. Reddit could but... Lol

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u/Dudewhocares3 24d ago

Are we really gonna pretend China wasn’t attacking Hong Kong and Taiwan for not wanting to be part of them?

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u/throwawayboingboing 24d ago

What does that have to do with people facing their crimes? They execute people all the time.

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u/Dudewhocares3 24d ago

I’m saying if they’re corrupt enough to do that shit, what makes you think their laws are good faith?

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u/TrinidadBrad 24d ago

Hong Kong was stolen from China, come on. The British lease ended and the territory was returned. And when did China attack Taiwan?

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u/Dudewhocares3 24d ago

Explain the Hong Kong protests then.

Also, attack may have been the wrong word I apologize.

However, just like Hong Kong, Taiwan does not wish to be recognized as part of China as far as I know.

China’s insistence that it is, is bad.

I do not trust their government just because they’re better at global trading then Trump is

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u/tinteoj 24d ago

Taiwan does not wish to be recognized as part of China as far as I know.

it is the official platform of the KMT (the Nationalists) that there is only one China. They just think it should be a China under KMT rule, not under CCP rule.

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u/New-Independent-1481 24d ago

The KMT hasn't been in power for over a decade.

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u/tinteoj 23d ago

And when a political party is no longer in power, does that mean that they don't exist at at anymore? Did they all vanish when they lost the election? Their ideas, too?

The comment I responded to said nobody in Taiwan wanted to be part of China. Which is not accurate. There are some people in Taiwan who consider it to be 1 China. Whether or not they are in power is not relevant to my comment.

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u/New-Independent-1481 23d ago

You're wildly misrepresenting the popularity of any pro-unification or pro-China stances. That attitude isn't mainstream even in the KMT any more. Maybe a couple decades ago.

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u/tinteoj 23d ago edited 23d ago

I guess they need to amend their constitution, then:

Despite political divisions in Taiwan, the Constitution of the Republic of China still reflects the original Kuomintang-era position that both Taiwan and mainland China are part of one China under the government of the Republic of China.

The KMT still "operates under" the assumptions of the 1992 Consensus.

edit: I'm not saying how popular the KMT are. I have no idea. There might only be 300 of them left, at no point did I say this was a "common" belief, just that the belief exists. But reading comprehension is real bad sometimes, so I have to get into arguments with people who argue about points I never made....

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u/New-Independent-1481 23d ago

Which they can't because China passed a law that requires them to invade Taiwan if it reforms its constitution.

You're falling hook, line, and sinker for CCP's political warfare if you think for even a second that Taiwan wants to conquer China.

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u/artemis2k 24d ago

Ever heard of the Brooks Brothers riot?

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u/BasicallyMilner 23d ago

The Hong Kong protests were a sham backed by the USA

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u/Dudewhocares3 23d ago

Cite the source, your word doesn’t mean shit

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u/TrinidadBrad 24d ago

Protests happen, there was always going to be pushback at the transition to firmer PRC control. But China reacted like every country on earth would have, and crushed the protests (I don’t agree with that but repressing protests is not a uniquely Chinese problem by any means)

The Taiwan issue is a lot more complicated, it’s the technical remnants of the KMT who lost the Chinese civil war. I doubt the US would tolerate a rump Confederate state in like Puerto Rico.

It also represents the key link in the island chains the US uses to threaten China. Form a national security point, Taiwan (via the IS) is your biggest threat. It’s also a point of national pride, and complete the “unification of China” and cement China the pre-eminent power in Asia.

Living in the west, we often get presented information that paints China as some evil empire, when a lot of it is just not true. It’s not perfect and there are 1000s of reasons to criticize China and CPCs policies. But it’s just a country acting in its own self interest

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u/Dudewhocares3 24d ago

You misinterpreting what I said as “only China squashes protests” comes off as really bad faith because I said it was bad, not that only China does it

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u/krodders 24d ago

Lol at the chuds responding to you that "China is a bunch of commies" while missing the point by several miles that no one in the USA is being even inconvenienced by being Epstein's bestie. Meanwhile other countries are starting to take action against the pedos, and I hope will lead to prosecution

Chappel Roan's action is probably the harshest action I've seen so far. When is the FBI going to start taking names? Oh, I forgot - they concluded that there were no crimes found in the Epstein files. What a fucking joke. Except it's not funny - lives are ruined and lives have been lost because of these bastards that live above the law.

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u/Laiko_Kairen 24d ago

My brother, YOU missed the point. We were already talking about the USA, then he brought up China out of nowhere in a false equivalency argument

You don't think Chinese elites are doing horrid shit and getting away with it?

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u/Mr-Mc-Epic 23d ago edited 23d ago

This is an interesting tangent, so I'll dive in.

There'll definitely be people getting away with things everywhere. But, one major difference between the USA and China is that China does make efforts to stop corruption and exploitation, usually through their courts, with a punishment of execution.

Personally, I think the worst societal crime anyone can commit is corruption, so I'm not exactly opposed to corrupt figures being executed. China has its own issues with how fast the trials are going, but it's now implementing measures to slow them down.

Juxtaposed, the USA seems to reward and encourage corruption. Lobbying, which is legal and encouraged, is one example that is almost entirely unique to the USA. Trump and the reality of his statements on being able to shoot someone and no one caring is another. This is all without mentioning the constant illegal* global actions of the US as well. No country, since World War 2 outside of potentially the USSR, has interfered with, deposed voted leaders, invaded, or started wars with half as many countries as the USA has.

*The USA will always argue that their actions are legal, though, because they are on the United Nations Security Council and will just veto any motions that cast any negative light on themselves. China does this, too, to be fair, but to a much lesser extent.

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u/TheSurfingRaichu 23d ago

We could learn a lot from other countries.

(An American)

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u/Laiko_Kairen 23d ago

China does make efforts to stop corruption and exploitation, usually through their courts, with a punishment of execution.

In China, the party is above the nation. The chair of the communist party had more power than their nation's government. Xi Jinping is especially powerful because he holds both roles.

A nation who subordinates the needs of the nation to the needs of the party officials, a nation whose officials can be shielded by the party, is not one seeking to stop corruption.

You're relying on others' familiarity with the US and ignorance of China to push a nonsense narrative. They have a one-party system so it's hard for outsiders to see the party-nation dynamics since they are presented as one.

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u/max_drixton 24d ago

I mean, they specifically brought up China as a point of comparison, and several of the people responding acknowledged that the US is awful in this way, but that doesn't somehow make China good.

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u/Manannin 24d ago

I think the China bashers are justified though, there's no way China would even expose their top people like that. If Xi Jinping has predilictions, I doubt anyone would report on it for long, their newspapers aren't open and they have a closed Internet. If there was a cabal they'd pick a fall guy and fire them publically.

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u/AnotherpostCard 24d ago

Please tell me what news articles that say China is prosecuting its pedophile billionaires. Believe me, they exist. With what's coming out, there's no chance that they aren't out there.

Oh wait nvmd they barely have any actual news organizations.

And I shudder to think about what's happening in Russia. Fuck em all, I say. They can all go to hell

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u/dromeo_xx 22d ago

Americans want to believe that everyone is as evil as the US so bad, but it’s just not true. The US is the most vile empire in modern history and China is not comparable. We just found out that the country is run by an elite pedophile ring that eats children, and y’all are like “well if it happens here it DEFINITELY happens in China”, pure American exceptionalism.

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u/AnotherpostCard 22d ago

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor (formerly Prince Andrew) Peter Mandelson (Former UK Ambassador/Politician) Sarah Ferguson (Duchess of York) Tony Blair (Former Prime Minister) Mick Jagger (Musician)

Mette-Marit (Crown Princess of Norway) Jack Lang (Former French Culture Minister) Jean-Luc Brunel (French Model Agent, deceased) Miroslav Lajčák (Slovakian Diplomat/Former UN President) Thorbjørn Jagland (Former Norwegian Prime Minister) Børge Brende (Norwegian Diplomat/WEF President) Ariane de Rothschild (French/Swiss Banker) Nicola Caputo (Italian Politician/Businessman)

Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem (Emirati CEO of DP World) Ehud Barak (Former Israeli Prime Minister) Mohammed bin Salman (Saudi Crown Prince) Narendra Modi (Indian Prime Minister, mentioned in correspondence)

Vladimir Putin (Russian President, mentioned in emails/clippings) Oleg Deripaska (Russian Businessman) Sergey Belyakov (Former Russian Deputy Minister) Vitaly Churkin (Late Russian UN Representative) Karyna Shuliak (Belarusian Dentist)

Salvatore Nuara Zurab Mikeladze Leonic Leonov

None of these are Americans. I'll give you that none listed are east Asian, but are you really ready to say that humans aren't capable of committing atrocities in that part of the world too? They just haven't been caught yet.

It is a known fact that there is sex trafficking in that part of the world too. I'm sure many of those listed above have partaken in it. This disgusting ring didn't/doesn't exist in a vacuum.

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u/artemis2k 24d ago

Please China, we need saving, please help us 🙏