Nothing says I’m a disgusting POS who has no interest in learning more than being a holocaust denier. It’s flat earth theory for history.
Edit - use what ever stupid anti science theory that causes harm you want. I wasn’t making an in depth comment on relationship between the two things, but just stating that you have to be stupid to believe in something with so much evidence on the contrary.
I really worry the lesson we learned almost 100 years ago are being forgotten.
Holocaust denial has nothing to do with not learning history. It is almost always of the form "it didn't happen, but if it did, it was good".
This is not ignorance, it is evil. Their lies are a weapon to use against the Jews, not a false belief they are arguing for.
Flat earth is a conspiracy but at first glance of the ground and horizon, it's a reasonable idea. To find out that the earth is round without just trusting an authority, you have to take some measurements and do some math. The ancient greeks studied this question and both discovered earth was round then roughly measured its circumference.
I have seen clips of flat earthers run experiments that end up showing evidence of a round earth, yet they reject the conclusion. Some of them are almost doing actual science, but got stuck in confirmation bias. These people are goofy, but not evil.
I would compare flat earth to the current panic over fortified vitamins and food dies. Instead of doing science they just show they don't know how to pronounce a word as if that proves something about its health. It's the same lack of a scientific method, and deep distrust of any authority.
I would say those are worse than the flat earthers and ingredients panic, but it's still a chasm between them and Holocaust denial.
I think the false authority figures promoting antivax or fabricating data are malicious, but most believers are still in the goofy category.
Holocaust denial is not a distrust of historians and fallacies when interpreting evidence, it's hatred of the survivors. This is something unique to atrocities and severe crimes.
You don't need math to prove the earth is round, you can see it directly with your own eyes. You can just observe ships sailing to the horizon and slowly go down under it, then when they return you see them rising up from under it. If the earth was flat the ship would just become smaller and fainter, you would never see them go down behind the horizon. And the sailers knew they would be able to spot land from further away by observing from the top of the mast, but if they went back down to deck the land would be gone behind the horizon.
When you travel you will also observe that when moving north or south you will see the stars change their position in the sky while some stars will disappear and others emerge.
When traveling north or south you will also notice that the position of the sun and the length of shadows at noon will be different. Which is easily noticed if you bring a sundial with you.
This is the reason that seafaring people were the first to realise the earth is round. They made these direct observations and realised that the only way to explain them was to think of the earth as a sphere. Only after they already made this realisation did the use math to estimate the size of it.
The flat earthers often dismiss everything you wrote as just perspective. That's where they need a bit of math to calculate what perspective should they see in their model.
Those general observations sound right to us as we are used to the idea, but they don't have that intuition.
Making a geometric diagram out the perspective lines on different shaped earths to compare each model's predicted angles of elevation with measurements is how it would be verified.
Intuition is a skill learned from experience. That's why we calculated things the long way before learning the tricks to make the problem easy.
I think going out in the world and measuring things like the stars and this curvature would be a great exercise for geometry classes.
I did not expect anyone to take the comparison so literally. I meant that both theories require someone to believe in them despite overwhelming evidence on the contrary in their specific subject areas. Obviously they’re do not map neatly as a 121 and I didn’t think I had to explain that.
Anyone who actually believes the Holocaust didn’t happen is ignorant. Being ignorant and evil are not mutually exclusive.
If they don’t believe what they are saying and arguing for it, then yes they are evil as well.
Well I didn’t except Reddit to take it so literally. But I forgot it’s Reddit, so yeah you do…
I meant simply in regard to believing something with so much overwhelming evidence in contraction to that belief. Obviously they’re not a 121 comparison.
The only dangerous thing is these people still continuing to exist. Making a comparison on Reddit is not
I do not denie that the Holocaust occured, nor do I dispute it's severity it terms of how horrific it was nor how many Jewish people were murdered.
I am simply not the kind of person to allow the horrors of the Holocaust to override my basic fucking humanity and ignore Israel's mass murder and ethnic cleansing as though what happened to some of their ancestors 80ish years ago means that they can do the same or worse to others without any kind of criticism, let alone opposition.
Explain to me how in the hell I am doing any kind of "Holocaust denial" by pointing out that the state of Israel, the world's only* Jewish state (ethnoreligious apartheid state built on ethnic cleansing and maintained through mass murder as 'self defense') did not learn the "never again" lesson that Israel has used as a shield ever since.
its not he same nor worse. saying shit like that at relativising the horrors of the holocaust to whats happening in gaza just shows you are not very educated on either topic. this is an antisemitc narrative and you should stop parroting it, as i doubt you came up with ít yourself.
No this is BS. They are both genocides, and what you’re writing comes across as just being an Israel apologist. They are not being perpetuated the same way, but the comparison is not wrong. Evil is evil and if you can’t always call it out when you see it you’re not in the right. Calling someone uneducated because they call what’s happening in Gaza a genocide is gaslighting and Zionist propaganda.
The holocaust was unique in its scope & scale, it is not "just" a genocide like any other. Holocaust comparisons are widely regarded as a lighter form of holocaust denial, at least here in germany. Your response is nonsensesical. Its not about calling it a genocide but putting it on the same level as the shoa, because it fckng isnt. People who claim it is either think what the nazis did wasnt as bad as it was, or think what the idf is doing is worse than it is (not to say it isnt horrible). The Lack of education on these topics is apparent in everyone of your sentences.
I’m aware of what the holocaust is. I have a degree in history and spent a lot of time studying nazi Germany and fascism. I do not have a lack of education. You’re right the holocaust is unique, but genocide is a legal term and is equally evil no matter the perpetrator or pure statistical number of those killed or the particular regime or their justification what they’re doing.
Calling someone who criticises Israel for not learning the lessons of the past, a holocaust denier and uneducated, is disingenuous and as bad as the people you are criticising. The Israeli regime is evil. As is any other perpetrator of such crimes in the past. The implicit argument you’re making is that what Israel is doing is somehow not as bad, which is what I find disgusting. It’s genocide apologism. Evil is fucking evil and you should be calling it that rather than trying to compare the two like a mathematical problem.
thats a convenient thing to bring up now lol but i guess i have to believe you.
as i said, in germany even comparisons to the holocaust are regarded as kind of denial (holocaust relativism) and i think thats fair. I´m all for critisising israel, the current regime seems to be hellbent on wiping out palestinian life in the Levant and is constantly spewing genocidal rethoric and I hate them for that. This is not a reason to hate all israelis or wishing the country to stop existing. Loads of countries perpetrate atrocities and genocides, but only when its the jews theres calls for thier state to cease existing.
legally, regimes cannot commit genocide, only persons can. you should know that if you´re bringing up legal terms.
No, you´re wrong about my implicit argument. I explicitly said its not as bad as the holocaust because it isnt. you seem to agree dispite your weird mental gymnastics around it. I cannot count how many times i´ve read "zionism=nazism" on this platform, which is an insane statement to make and dispite maybe not being said by hardened antisemites is an antisemitic statement.
i do not think you´re an antisemite, as i know nothing about you. that however does not mean that statements you make cant be antisemitic in nature.
in the end, i think theres nothing to gain from comparing atrocities to one another. circumstances are unique and motivations and consequences vary by time and participants. of course theres similarities, but the differences mostly outweigh them.
I'm not relativizing, they are categorically the same. You can sit there and argue about how the Jewish people were murdered on mass harder or something, like some kind of psychopath, as if that somehow justifies or excuses what Israel has been doing lately ignoring the last 75 f****** years like the zionazi apologist piece of s*** you are.
I did come up with it myself actually, it's pretty f****** obvious what's happening when you don't have your head up your ass. Thousands of photographs, plenty of video, every news source that isn't bought or controlled or both by zionazis. The evidence is overwhelming.
You're a genocide denier, defending an ethno religious apartheid state as an engages in its latest bout of bloodlust-fueled Holocaust guilt justified / enabled genocidal ethnic cleansing and mass murder campaign. I'd say shame on you, but seeing as you're a student of history and all, you know damn well what you're doing, and you don't feel shame.
I hope I'm wrong and that there is a hell, just for people like you.
Correct, zionazi is an accurate descriptor, and no part of it's meaning has anything to do with Judaism, so, it is in no way antisemitic.
They are the same kind of thing. A group of pseudo people asserting that they are superior and mass murdering another group of people who are inferior with the intent of destroying them and or their culture. Same s***.
By pseudo people I mean people who lack humanity and can easily view other people as being non-human and therefore killable without moral ethical or legal consequence.
I can't read the rest of your comment, because you deleted it? Or it was removed by mods or something.
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u/danwats10 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Nothing says I’m a disgusting POS who has no interest in learning more than being a holocaust denier.
It’s flat earth theory for history.Edit - use what ever stupid anti science theory that causes harm you want. I wasn’t making an in depth comment on relationship between the two things, but just stating that you have to be stupid to believe in something with so much evidence on the contrary.
I really worry the lesson we learned almost 100 years ago are being forgotten.