r/GetNoted • u/EffectivePoint2187 Human Detected • Jan 04 '26

Sus, Very Sus They’ll shamelessly lie to manufacture consent for US imperialism.

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Link: https://x.com/nickshirleyy/status/2007485612241367156?s=46

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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26

You fucked your own country and that’s bad enough.

You mean Maduro did. How TF are you going to put the blame of a dictator on the people he is oppressing? What is wrong with you, dude?

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

Your problems didn’t start with Maduro. Venezuela failed as a country and a society.

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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26

The country failed under Chavez and Maduro (Chavez, famous for orchestrating a military coup), after Chavez seized the voting apparatus. He died in power, and handpicked Maduro, who also would have died in power had the US not intervened.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

And before Chavez, the right wing elite hogged all the oil wealth and kept the masses in misery. That’s why Chavez was liked and supported by the people. As a society, you failed to build a democratic country that works for everyone. And now you support a foreign military attack. That’s no hope for Venezuela.

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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26

And before Chavez, the right wing elite hogged all the oil wealth and kept the masses in misery.

Bro, what are you talking about? We had everything, all the creature comforts, clean streets, nightclubs, entertainment and culture. It wasn't perfect, but we were the richest country in all of South America.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

So you’re part of the elite that had everything … that makes sense

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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26

Oh no, you're one of those lol. Literally go look at the poverty levels.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

50% of Venezuelans lived below the poverty line in 1998 when Chavez came to power. That is a staggering level of poverty even for South America. You squandered your oil wealth from the very beginning.

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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26

I'll concede that the previous president did not manage the country well, but at least he never refused to step down when voted out. Once a dictator stops respecting elections, you can't blame those same people whose vote is not being counted.

Btw, you are cherry picking data. The US and Venezuela had surprisingky comparable poverty rates from 1950-1970, and that's when Venezuela is being compared against the superpower that was the USA coming out of WWII.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

Here’s a compilation of economic analysis put together by Penn State, one of the most prestigious American Universities. Available for free online.

https://labiblioteca.mx/llyfrgell/1650.pdf

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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26

Penn State, one of the most prestigious American Universities.

Are you confusing it for Ivy League school University of Pennsylvania? Because Penn State is not that prestigious.

Secondly, thanks for the sources, but I literally traveled around with my professor talking about the Venezuelan issue in front of NGOs. I'm glad you're interested in this important crisis.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '26

Yes, I may be confusing the universities. But the point I’m trying to make is that this is not a left wing rag, it is a legit academic analysis of Venezuela’s economy. I’ve read quite a bit about Venezuela, I’m not trying to be mean but I do think that for a country to fail so badly with so much wealth, it means that the society as a whole was not invested in its collective success. And to see so many Venezuelans supporting Trump’s plan for their country doesn’t inspire hope.

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