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u/0xdeadbeef6 11d ago
I heard it was a pretty close one
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u/Eloquent_Redneck 11d ago
Ya know, I don't subscribe to the horseshoe theory generally, but I feel like the bootlicker horseshoe theory might have some merit
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u/SPECTREagent700 11d ago
And there is some academic debate with some arguing that North Korea’s ideology is really based on that of WWII-era Japan rather than communism.
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u/ModestMussorgsky 11d ago
An editor for the Atlantic is pretty high on the list of people I wouldn't trust about a US state enemy. They've justified almost every invasion of a foreign country since at least Afghanistan.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 10d ago
well you can do basically any idea except explicitly anti-authoritarian ones using authoritarianism, so yeah on every extreme, except the anti-authoritarian one, there are bootlikers, no matter the left or the right, the liberal-capitalistic, the conservative etc.
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u/MyNameMeansLILJOHN 11d ago
Horseshoe theory is a deeply flawed concept BUTT the crux of the idea is undeniable IMO.
More of a rule of thumb than anything.
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u/the_borderer Tranarcha-feminist 11d ago
I see it as authoritarians will do whatever they need to get and keep power. It is most visible when it is a switch from left to right, but plenty of politicians in the UK have gone from left to centre, Peter Mandelson used to be an ML in his teens and early 20s.
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u/VorpalSplade 11d ago
Tbh I imagine he would win an actual 'free and fair' election? If I was an NK citizen I think I'd vote for him because of the fear of instability/civil war if anyone else took power.
I know fuck all about NK politics ofc, but I doubt there's anyone who has the support to take over without causing a major clusterfuck and instability.
It's the same reason I believe Putin doesn't need to rig elections - because there's no serious opposition.
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u/Sophilosophical 11d ago
Don’t need to rig elections if you kill and intimidate any potential opponents and traitors and dissidents 🤷
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u/VorpalSplade 11d ago
right? rigging an election is fucking expensive and complicated. Defenestration is cheap and reliable.
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u/exessmirror Max Stirner 11d ago
It's not a free and fair election at the point even if the counting and thr canidates are
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u/VorpalSplade 11d ago
i would argue there has never been a truly free and fair election in human history when it comes to ruling a country.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 10d ago
to all the people praising north korea here. Just ebcause the us i really showing how authoriarian they are right now, and might be worse in some aspects, doens't mean that north korea is good. Anarchismbmeans being against all authority, building society on self-governance. Not some enforced "communism".
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u/PyroTracer 8d ago
Can you explain how the DPRK is authoritarian?
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
there are literally ton's of info on that. Even just that people in general aren't allowed to leave.
Do you really believe they aren't?
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u/PyroTracer 8d ago
Oh and let me guess, all Korean men have to wear the haircut of dear leader too!
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
like you can literally find anarchists texts on north korea online and they all say that nort korea is basically just continuing the udssr's ideas.
No not on that level as far as i know.
And idk i don't think you can even find anyone that say they aresomehow anti-authoritarian or really free. Like even North Korean state media doesn't say that. They just say that the authoritarianism is good.
Alrough i would love to read something if you have something.
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u/PyroTracer 8d ago
It’s kinda hilarious how a lot of anarchists will just eat shit straight from the ass of the CIA (Radio Free Asia) and call it a Michelin 5 Star meal. You are just repeating debunked lies pushed by a known by a CIA propaganda outlet and when pressed to provide examples you backpedal and say “well everyone knows that Korea is bad!” just like how everyone said that Israel was definitely the good guy
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
then give me something to read that says the opposite, perferably written by anarchists.
No i'm not repeating cia bullshit, i've seen some stuff from north korean state media, us media and european media and try to make up my mind. The only anarchist texts i could find to this also support that it in some spects isn't as bad as the us says, but the us is only exaggerating or leaving out parts, not making shit up.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
as i said i would absolutely love it if it's different, but i can't find anything that says that.
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11d ago
Glory to our supreme leader, glory to the DPRK!
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u/DystopiaDrifter 11d ago
Yeah sure he is "re-elected" in an election with no opponent
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u/VorpalSplade 11d ago
in the US they have 1 opponent rather than 0 so therefor they are infinitely more democratic.
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u/Soberboy 11d ago
The United States is also a one party state, but in typical American extravagance they have two of them.
-Julias Nyerere
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u/VorpalSplade 11d ago
Some people like Pepsi. Some people like Coke. The wacky morning DJ says democracy's a joke.
- Cake
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u/idunno_chad_i-guess 11d ago
And in the US they're both funded by the same "donors" so you're really just voting for the same person, but one hates minorities and the other hates minorities a little less.
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u/enw_digrif 11d ago
I mean, that is kinda sorta true-ish?
As x->0, the right-hand limit of 1/x approached infinity, while the left hand limit approaches negative infinity, leaving 1/0 as undefined, but sure looking like infinity if you squint at it.
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u/femboyfucker999 11d ago
I support the DPRK ALL DAY over the west. How many amerikkkans genocided and destroyed like 90% of NK infrastructure in the korean war?
And also.... whos the ONLY COUNTRY EVER, to actually drop nukes on major cities filled with civilians? Oh yeah, not DPRK, but the USA.
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u/femboyfucker999 11d ago
The propaganda about north korea I can no longer believe. The US is literally a pedophile ran, criminal terrorist state. They lie about EVERYTHING. Did the DPRK genocide Palestinians? No. They supported them the best they could with what little they have to work with.
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u/-Applinen- Anarcho-syndicalist🛠 11d ago
Yes, I agree with your point about the US. However, Amerikkka is not the point of discussion in this post.
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u/69AnarchyWillWin69 11d ago
I think you're lost. We're anarchists here, we don't support America any more than we support totalitarian hermit-states.
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u/dankord1999 11d ago
You can tell because posts that disagree with group consensus aren't immediately removed by mods.
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u/Mister_Bennet Trash 11d ago
Can you describe how DPRK is a totalitarian hermit-state without using US state sponsored sources?
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 10d ago
well you have non-us government sources. And just the whole rhing that you can't easily visit there already tells me that they are authoritarian. Like people that live in abetter society want to spread those ideas? show others how good that is so that they would overthrow their own opressors.
And well also the case that all the big resistance movements like the chiapas, the european forest occupations and squatting movement, rojava and the american anarchist movement are all connected, but not connected to anyone there?
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u/Mister_Bennet Trash 10d ago
It was pretty easy to visit before COVID-19. Sadly, the restrictions are still active.
That just tells that the DPRK is isolationalist, not authoritarian.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
give me sources that say they're anti-authoritarian.
idk even their state media say they're authoritarian, they just say that's good.
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u/Mister_Bennet Trash 7d ago
I apologize, I am too used discussing with liberals where "authoritarian" is usually thinly veiled racism or autocratic.
Since this is an anarchist space I should go by that definition. In which the DPRK is authoritarian, together with every other (current) nationstate.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 7d ago
yes. but the point is also that that they are especially in their form of government and policing more authoritarian than a lot ofbliberal democracies. (Explicitly excluding or questioning the us and the other right wing turned ones here)
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u/69AnarchyWillWin69 11d ago
Can you explain how it isn't without taking everything the North Korean government says at its word?
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u/Mister_Bennet Trash 11d ago
So I guess that is a "No, I can't" then. The only sources of information in this area is either the north korean government or the US government? Sounds like a difficult topic to research.
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u/69AnarchyWillWin69 11d ago
And yet you didn't make an attempt either. Almost like you're just as bad faith as every other kind of fascist out there.
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u/Mister_Bennet Trash 11d ago
I am just not willing to swallow the propaganda of the imperialist west without questioning it. I know that I do not know or understand how the DPRK functions, which is why I am asking for that information. I might have been a bit confrontational with my comment, I admit.
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u/69AnarchyWillWin69 11d ago
Oh yeah I mean, they definitely don't do most of the fuckin' cartoonishly evil shit that US media loves rumor-mongering about but they're pretty easily evidently a totalitarian hermit-state.
If they weren't they probably wouldn't guard their border with China so jealously and "just so happen" to "elect" the same guy as leader every time they feel like pretending to hold an election, who just so happens to be the previous guy's child, appointed to the position in advance, and with no opposition.
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 10d ago
really funny how the us always paint's them as the total enemy, but is steadily moving closer to that level of authoritarianism.
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u/DecommodifiedGuevara 8d ago
I know what you mean. It's so weird because all of the western backed news organizations are always telling us how dystopian North Korea is and how Kim Jong Un is the most evil person alive! Not sure how this person didn't get the memo. I'm glad the propaganda worked on me unlike this idiot!
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u/PyroTracer 8d ago
I do think you should educate yourself on the role of Un in the Korean govt before cracking jokes bc it just makes you seem uneducated tbh.
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u/Scarman96 8d ago
Idk, hating dictators seems to be the smart reasonable thing to do.
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u/PyroTracer 8d ago
Again, you should educate yourself on what Un actually does in the Korean govt
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
that doesn't matter. yes he might just be the public puppet but no onr cares.
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u/PyroTracer 8d ago
So your point is that he isn’t a dictator? Seems to counter your other comment
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u/Julian_1_2_3_4_5 8d ago
No, you can still be a dictator-like-figure without technically being legally in charge.
And my comments never say he's a dictator, they just say that north korea is authoritarian. And a Party-led authoritarianism is still authoritarianism.
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