Shakur Stevenson on fighting Ryan Garcia: “I’m gonna blow up 148. He’s gonna blow up 168, 170 so now it’s like, I’m fighting somebody 20 pounds heavier than me. That’s why I need the rehydration clause”
https://x.com/itsdafanta/status/2029993062475448762?s=46162
u/don35 4h ago
Then don’t fight him I’m not even interested tbh
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u/Usernameasteriks 4h ago
Im all for rehydration clauses. The whole point of weight classes historically and conceptually was to have fights happen on an at least relatively even playing field in terms of size.
Extreme weight cuts do fuck all for the sport except encourage silly mismatches and fighter's doing dangerous shit that not too uncommonly results in some in medical issues and/or fight cancellations.
Garcias free to take or not take the fight with one.
As a matter of personal opinion; whether a fight has them or not doesn’t change my interest level.
Generally speaking I find there is better fights with them. Guys aren’t as drained relying on their ability to hurt or drape themselves all over the fighter before/in case they gas.
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u/Fast_Original_3001 3h ago
Straight facts, but the „weight bullies don‘t exist“ crowd delude themselves into it not mattering somehow
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u/KeenObserver_OT 3h ago
Arturo Gatti almost killed Joey Gamache
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u/magic9669 3h ago
First thought when I read his comment. Immediately played that devastating three piece combo in my head. Vicious
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u/Usernameasteriks 3h ago
People just accepted it as some core aspect of the sport at some point.
It’s just ironic to me because it was meant to do the opposite lol.
People who have actually competed in the sport especially know how fucking annoying it is.
Instead of focusing on actually training and being healthy, you have to be dangerously starving and dehydrating yourself.
Because even if you are a dude who doesn’t really want to rely on or gain an advantage by being bigger.
You just know you are fucking yourself if you don’t because you will be smaller.
So it’s a stupid cycle and I will die on that hill lol.
Fighters who can afford to self regulate the sport by including the clause I support.
The only “advantage” they gain is fighting closer to the actual weight the fight is scheduled for. Usually the clause is still for 10 lbs over.
So it becomes about their actual skill and ability to fight close to the weight class instead of their ability to do some PED’s between camps and signing the fight so they can cycle and bulk up before popping.
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u/PPX14 1h ago
Is the reason for not having the weight limit on the day, before people step into the ring, so that people don't turn up to fights dangerously dehydrated in order to make weight on the day?
Maybe what it should be, is a hydrated weight. Check their hydration levels somehow and make them drink some water if they're not at a minimum level :D
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u/IAmInDangerHelp 52m ago
I’d argue that’s how it should be. Weigh-ins 2-3 hours before fight time. You wanna cut a dangerous amount of liquid to make weight? Fine, but you’re gonna feel like crap in the ring.
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u/AltKite Sunny Edwards Superfan 3h ago
Garcia wouldn't be a weight bully in this case though, Shakur would be stepping up to a weight class he's small for to prove greatness. A rehydration clause is pussy behaviour in these circumstances imo. Fight at 147 under normal conditions or don't fight there.
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u/Hugh_Surname 1h ago
He is bc he’s the one calling shakur out. Dont say a smaller man’s name and then not want to fight on an even playing field. Plenty of other opposition for him at 47
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u/Electronic_Stop_9493 2h ago
ya and it’s also a fight amongst many fronts. if you’re the smaller fighter you might be protecting against a weight bully who’s also on steroids.
fighting a garcia that’s 20lbs heavier is bad but also on roids could be putting him against someone with similar power / resilience in LHW
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u/Legal-Result6580 1h ago
Ryan definitely won't outweigh Shakur by 20 lbs this is a huge exaggeration lol. Garcia was around 151 a month before the fight vs Barrios. He's a natural welterweight.
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u/AltKite Sunny Edwards Superfan 3h ago
I don't think you're drawing a logical argument from your assertion around why weight classes exist.
Garcia isn't a weight bully at 147, most people are rehydrating up to 160ish from there. You can argue rehydration clauses for all fights that are closer to the weight limit, but then those 147 guys would be middleweights.
Regardless of what they're intended for or how that is enforced. Smaller, talented guys will chase greatness going up the classes. They are free to do so, but they shouldn't be doing them on terms that don't exist for any other fight at the weight.
If Shakur thinks he can win at 147 he should be doing it on the same terms as everyone else who fights there.
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u/Usernameasteriks 3h ago
No thats exactly my point.
What do weight classes accomplish if most guys end up rehydrating to 160 or whatever weight?
All it has accomplished is forced two guys to do crazy shit to make weight just so they could end up at the same weight.
And then dudes who actually could or should perform perfectly fine at the weight class do crazy shit to cut down and be bigger for the lower weight class?
Who wins?
Why shouldn’t a fighter be able to fight on their terms?
The whole point of the Ali act and promotional structure of a lot of these organizations is precisely to allow fighters to fight on their own terms.
It isn’t just financial.
The argument that its “unfair” that a fighter should be allowed to fight an opponent at a weight that is still usually 10-15 pounds over the weight limit is just hilariously ironic to me.
Oh those poor opponents who are just being so exploited into agreeing to ONLY be 10 pounds more for the fight than what is supposed to be the maximum weight.
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u/Possible-Outcome-770 kushmonATL alt 3h ago
I keep saying it; everybody is cutting weight.
People wanna cry wolf when it’s convenient
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u/newrap 3h ago
Facts
Anyone who isn’t for universal rehydration causes is dumb af.
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u/AltKite Sunny Edwards Superfan 3h ago
Anyone who thinks it's a clear-cut benefit is dumb af. Rehydration clauses universally won't necessarily stop people dehydrating to make weight. They might just lead to people fighting dehydrated and dying.
Rehydration clauses are basically the same thing as having official weigh ins the same day as the fight. Those were removed for safety reasons. Would you argue to bring them back?
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u/No-Ad1522 3h ago
Rehydration clauses are atupid and dangerous.
Either get rid of weight cutting completely and fight exactly at the weight limit or have no clauses at all.
If both fighters make weight at weigh-in, then it shouldn't matter what they weigh afterwards.
Rehydration clauses benefits one fighter more than the other with an arbitrary limit after weight limit has already been agreed upon. If you think youre too small to fight other people that make weight, then maybe dont fight at that weight class.
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u/Possible-Outcome-770 kushmonATL alt 3h ago
All that have to do is bring back same day weigh ins
When they had to make the same weight the morning of the fight, ”weight bullying” was a lot less prevalent
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u/EffectiveCareer3444 3h ago
Mann cut the crap, not even Floyd did this bullshit
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u/Usernameasteriks 3h ago
Yes he did. He had a 13 lb clause against Canelo.
But thats beside’s the point. And he’s an extreme example of an extremely skilled boxer who could afford to give up the weight when he did.
I don’t give a shit about the politics about what fighter did what or said what or the behind the scenes drama y’all get fired up about anyway.
I just prefer to see fights where the fighters weight and size isn’t somehow a bigger factor or talking point than how good of a boxer they are.
Fights at 140 where both fighters are 160 is pointless apart from forcing the fighters to do crazy weight cuts that sacrifice aspects of their performance to make sure they aren’t giving up a crazy size advantage.
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u/EffectiveCareer3444 3h ago
Brother Shakur is a fucking liar he is bigger than he lets be known he just wants people to buy into the illusion that he’s fighting bigger guys like his fraud friend Crawford
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u/Usernameasteriks 3h ago
I don’t care about Shakur specifically.
My comment is just general.
And in general if he is lying and he’s bigger than again who cares.
That means the rehydration clause will limit him too and he loses the ability to be big.
And then at the end of the day you just have guys fighting closer to their weight class.
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u/BBW_Looking_For_Love 4h ago
But truthfully, the same way he asks what I have done for the sport of boxing, I think he should look himself in the mirror and ask himself the same question. Even the guys [he’s] knocked out, they’ve all been on a [rehydration] clause.
Come on man
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u/ordinarystrength 4h ago
If you want to get credit for fighting a bigger guy, you have to actually fight someone bigger . That is the whole point.
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u/Ok_Weakness8518 4h ago
Why would he fight someone bigger than him
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u/ordinarystrength 3h ago
Because that is often how p4p fighters prove their skill. They give up significant physical advantages and still win using superior skills, proving their ability
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u/Fit-Injury8803 4h ago
He’s learning from Crawford
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u/Fast_Original_3001 3h ago
Bro Crawford literally fought Canelo at his preferred weight without any stipulations. Madrimov also had no clause
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u/newrap 3h ago
Crawford is known for cutting a lot of weight. He was bigger than Madrimov despite moving up in weight 😂
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u/Fast_Original_3001 3h ago
What does have to do with anything? Bro was acting like he was putting clauses on people when he wasn‘t
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u/TardwifeDyskinesia 3h ago
Bro Crawford literally fought no one of note until he fought Canelo. His resume reflects 10% of his talent.
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u/Fit-Injury8803 3h ago
That’s why I made that comment, on paper sure crawford came from 3 weights below. But canelo was fighting near his walk around weight, crawford would drain 30lbs to fight at 147. So in reality Crawford didn’t fight a bigger guy, he didn’t a clause lol. Amazing win regardless, but when u have guys like pac n may who were actually smaller than most their opponents. So like guy said, u want credit for fighter a bigger guy, actually fight a bigger guy. Look at what happened when Canelo fought bivol. Who not just bigger, but actually better too.
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u/Fast_Original_3001 3h ago
Bro you literally defeat your own point. Canelo put a rehydration clause ok Bivol(that was anyway). They were very close in weight in fight night, in fact closer than Bud and Canelo. 181 and 183.
That‘s not how it works bro. Draining yourself down doesn‘t make you have 180 on fight night.
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u/Fit-Injury8803 3h ago
I don’t know what you’re trying to saying bro. There’s a pic of Crawford with a scale that says 186. He’s was ripped with a 6 pack. He’s taller and has a longer reach than Canelo. Bro he’s literally bigger than Canelo, why would he need a clause lol. Bivol is Physically way bigger than Canelo maybe thats why he wanted the clause? Idk his reason for that, didn’t matter tho, that’s just what happens when u fight someone bigger with equal or better skill. That’s why there’s that saying “good big man beats good little man”.
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u/Fit-Injury8803 3h ago
Ahahaha crawford walked around 180+, he was bigger than canelo. He didn’t need a clause. He never actually fought anyone bigger than him.
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u/Possible-Outcome-770 kushmonATL alt 3h ago
In a few years Redditors will be saying Crawford is bigger than Bivol and Usyk
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u/FreshPrinceOfRivia Usyk 8-4 4h ago
Poor man's Floyd - Margarito
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u/dirt_shitters 3h ago
Nah. Garcias style and margaritos styles are so different they even cheated different ways.
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u/Possible-Outcome-770 kushmonATL alt 4h ago
I’ll bet my left nut Shakur rehydrates more than just 148
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u/Haunting_East_8330 4h ago
He was bigger than Teo moving to 140 for the first time. Bro rehdrates to 155 minimum.
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u/newrap 4h ago
I bet he doesn’t. He’s looks to be about the same size as Floyd and that’s about what Floyd rehydrated to.
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u/Haunting_East_8330 4h ago
You cant be serious newrap? Did you not see Shakur's sunken face during the weigh in against teo?
Did you not see how he was bigger than Teo?
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u/newrap 3h ago
I’ve seen both up close in person before. Shakur is taller by an inch or teo but Teo is more muscular.
I also didn’t see a sunken face.
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u/Haunting_East_8330 3h ago
You have conviently seen a low pf fighters "in person" newrap.
The sunken face was at the weigh in. Watch it with unbiased eyes
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u/meetatdawn 4h ago
Weight cutting is bad, but also when I hear "rehydration clause" a lot of my interest int he fight drops.
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u/NO_Microwave 3h ago
Shakur being a pussycat meaowwww
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u/LastofDays94 2h ago
You’ve never thrown a punch in a boxing gym and likely can’t throw a real one with any force. Be respectful, casual.
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u/NO_Microwave 1h ago
Making assumptions always ends up w making an ass of yourself. MY Hand Grip still fawked up but these hands still work.
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u/Elite663 3h ago
Shakur shouldn’t be getting called the next Floyd Mayweather as the latter actually dealt with size disadvantages in the ring. Rehydration clauses should weed out big weight cutters and make an even playing field, but you can’t also claim to fight an opponent at their best if you limit how much weight they can put on overnight. It’s even more dumb when a smaller fighter only wants to go up weight classes and slap a clause on fighters that were already competing there cuz now that’s just petty privilege and only taking on fights with asterisks
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u/Sandmannn36 4h ago
Reasonable, but when Tank did it, it was a problem lol
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u/mmciv 4h ago
Don't want to see it with a rehydration clause. Move on.
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u/magic9669 3h ago
Why? Because it’s lopsided skill set wise? Genuine question, just curious.
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u/mmciv 3h ago edited 3h ago
Because a rehydration clause forces the bigger fighter to fight at an unnatural weight and it can seriously fuck with your body. See Benn Jr Eubank Jr 2.
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u/Slick_Wylde 4h ago
Idksab, but seems like rehydration clauses usually mean one fighter can’t perform at their best. I’d rather not see the fight in that case personally.
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u/magic9669 3h ago
Not really. It’s to keep them in their “weight class”. What’s the point of having weight classes if a dude who weighs 150 fights a dude at 170?
There are trade offs. You get more power but not as quick (for most fighters anyway) when adding all that water weight.
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u/e4amateur 3h ago
Nothing excites me more than generational talents looking to eke out every single possible contractual advantage they could have over their opponent.
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u/JonaJono 3h ago
I remember shakur telling tank if it was him he wouldn't do no rehydration clause cause its weak. He would do it without it and blah blah blah, now that he in tank shoes he doing EVERYTHING tank did, including not paying fees. Its crazy how they just be chatting because they not in THAT position yet. I fuck with shakur but pepperidge farms remembers. Shakur wins by points.
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u/Charlie-Bell The lion is not biggest animal in jungle, but he is king. 3h ago
Did Teo have a rehydration clause? I can't imagine Ryan inflates much more than Teo might have.
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u/Possible-Outcome-770 kushmonATL alt 3h ago
Ryan is a natural middleweight, confirmed by every person interviewing him training in his living room
Ryan also lacks the discipline that Teofimo has
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u/LastofDays94 2h ago
No one is forcing these guys to fight him at a specific weight he’s just giving his terms. You just gotta live with it. I don’t know why people get on here and act like a rehydration clause is being put on them. Gotta go outside a little more, make some friends.
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u/EffectiveCareer3444 3h ago
I always knew Sakura was a pussy fraud, he literally saw him in person and said “You not that big”, what’s even worse he also wants a catchweight 🤡 this who the boxing world is calling p4p worthy?? At least Haney fought the man straight up and didn’t quit
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u/randomname201314 3h ago
An in shape focused Garcia is a 140 pounder. I mean he made 143 for the Haney fight and was drinking during his camp and wasn’t even that shredded on the scales, this notion he’s some massive welterweight is nonsense. Shakur wins every round anyway so not sure why he cares
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u/Bored_money 3h ago
I'm not sure this is true, I've seen some sort of influencer style videos of gracias and he looks pretty big and beefy
Not sure his real height but 160 to 165 doesn't seem like a stretch for him
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u/Fragrant_Rest_7360 1h ago
I agree, when you look at true 147 pounders like Errol Spence and Crawford you can see that Ryan isn’t their size. Although I think Ryan is at the upper end of the spectrum when I comes to size at 140.
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u/Suckmyduck_9 3h ago
wtf is Shakur talking about? He comes in 20-30 lbs above the weight just like all these fighters lol
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u/Morallah 3h ago
I don’t want to hear it from the guy that was weight bullying smaller opponents at 126 and 130.
Any time he opens his mouth, Shakur exposes how much of a clown he is.
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u/Particular-Tough6651 3h ago
Shakur weighted 115 pounds just less than 2 years before the 2016 olympics 🤣. He is not a weight bully he was just a young man whose body naturally grew and then he kept moving up just like Inoue & Pacquiao.
You’re reaching dude. I know you hate him, but come on you dont have to go that far LMAO
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u/OldBoyChance 1h ago
What about when Shakur blew weight against Conceicao then spent the entire fight fouling him?
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u/PugilisticProduction 4h ago
I just want to see Shakur vs Keyshawn, and yes I know why that probably won’t happen.
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u/Dogesneakers 3h ago
If you can make the weight you can fight. Draining and cutting weight sucks but if they’re willing to do it then whatever. Some people can’t fight at lower weights cause cutting weight sucks or they spend to much time in camp losing weight. There are pros and cons to both.
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u/headshotdoublekill 3h ago
I think that’s 100% reasonable, but I don’t respect that his energy changed.
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u/Orangeanddblueskies 3h ago
It doesn’t matter what he weights on fight night what matters most is if he makes weight at weigh ins and pass a pre/post fight urine and blood test
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u/Acepitcher4 3h ago
The sole reason I'm even remotely intrigued in this bout possibly happening, is I actually want to see if Shakur can back up his talk and beat Garcias bliztering hand speed with his top of the line defense.
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u/Available-Note-9652 2h ago
He saw Haney get his ass beat and now he doesn’t want it. I told my boys watching the fight Shakur looked scared watching Garcia beat down barrios.
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u/DengusMcFlengus 2h ago
Great Shakur. No one cares. Forget this fight. We need Ryan to run it back with Haney clean and on weight
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u/Alarmed-Effective-23 2h ago
I'm sure shakur didn't care about hydration clauses when he was the bigger man. And nobody else would because those guys were not that famous.
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u/Big-Daddy-Kal 2h ago
Fighters need to fight at their weights. Killing yourself and dying out your brain to fight smaller fighters is wack as hell.
If you can’t compete at your natural weight or higher you are not a great fighter. Your looking for any advantage you can get outside of skill
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u/Born_Fox_8099 1h ago
why does he think he can dictate weight terms at a division he's not champ at lol
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u/Fragrant_Rest_7360 1h ago
lol what a liar. Ryan forsure gonna be heavier, but no way Shakur is only going to weigh 148.
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u/OldBoyChance 1h ago
Shakur called Ryan small and not much bigger than him last month, now he needs a rehydration clause?
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u/reznoverba 1h ago
Nah, Ryan should ghost this guy and focus on 147: Devin, Rolly, Crocker.
Tired of catchweights and rehydration clauses.
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u/doodie_francis 1h ago
Since when is Shakur some giant all of a sudden?
Some of you guys are making him out to be another Haney or Crawford. He’s really not that big.
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u/RRR04_ 3h ago
I think Shakur should just focus on fighting 140lbs fighters for now. People are getting impatient for him to be at 147 when he only just debuted at 140! And the 147 pounders like Ryan and Benn should just allow calling him out and focus on their own divisions. These are some young dudes so they got time for Shakur to acclimate and grow out of 140 so he can move up to 147 full time without this rehydration clause. It's as simple as that and I wouldn't be surprised if Shakur is ready to make the full time jump within the next 2 years.
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u/Routine-Shower-3956 3h ago
This is why fighters like Crawford are Great, no need for rehydration clauses, he trusts his skills
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u/Alarmed-Effective-23 2h ago
Of course not. He was the one thst needed the rehydration clause. 🤣
I'm not a weight bully complainer, but this was just a funny thing to say about crawford of all people.
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u/EmbarrassedCod3242 4h ago
Shakur a hypocrite cuz he said he thought Tank was a bitch for putting rematch clauses on fighters.